Members FearTheVoices Posted May 9, 2006 Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 WOW I see what all the fuss is about, Boosting for soloing is great, very thick sound, On the other hand i cant stand the rythm sound with it on. What exactly does the Keeley mod do to the SD-1, I just got it about 1/2 hr ago so im not at that point yet where somethings bothering me about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted May 9, 2006 Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 I think it does a great old-school metal rhythm mtone with the gain all the way down, the level cranked, and the tone around 9 oclock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted May 9, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid I think it does a great old-school metal rhythm mtone with the gain all the way down, the level cranked, and the tone around 9 oclock. thats exactly how i have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted May 9, 2006 Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead thats exactly how i have it I'm sure you have tried EQing the amp, no? What kind of rhythm tones are you going for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted May 9, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid I'm sure you have tried EQing the amp, no? What kind of rhythm tones are you going for? Let me start with this statement and then answer I have had many amps over the years but never a marshall, this is my first and love it and will never get rid of this one most likley. In the past i have tried a few different boost and the same thing happens with all and all amps, The mids are boosted (which is good of course) all low end is lost and all clarity is lost it seems. Now this is the first time ive tried a boost on a marshall and I love it it for soloing, Great sound , fat and warm, But again all lows seem really mid range and kills the treble and presences by 20x. Is there something im missing or is this how they all are?. I run it in the loop which is correct right?. I like kinda a bright sound also so maybe that is my problem here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Coach Posted May 9, 2006 Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 Try a Timmy. For real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J San Dimas Posted May 9, 2006 Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 I've always liked the SD-1. Some use it for solo boosts...I'd always liked using it for rhythms too, just turn down the drive a bit. Some amps are too dry and CHOPPY as they are. I have been taken away by the TS9 however! It's also a sweet sound. I was loyal to the SD-1 until last year when I sold mine for the ibanez pedal. Keep on rockin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spentron Posted May 9, 2006 Members Share Posted May 9, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead I run it in the loop which is correct right?. No. It's not how they're usually run and distortion devices in an effects loop can cause problems, at least when more gain is used. Specifically, the preamp tubes (assuming they distort in that type Marshall) are no longer that last stage of distortion and do not dominate the distortion characteristic (although this can be different if you also use power stage distortion). With the SD1 it is worse because it savagely attacks bass and upper treble (The most basic mod to it is to reduce this filtering, but that also risks losing some of the better things about it). This is at least partially aimed at driving into a distorting amp, increasing distortion in a smooth, mud-free way, and the amp puts back in a lot of the lost response in the process. Of course whatever sounds good, but using it in an effects loop turns it into more of a dirty preset EQ and volume switcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KjStrat62 Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 I think you got it going on!!Ideal setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 get it out of the loop. now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead Let me start with this statement and then answerI have had many amps over the years but never a marshall, this is my first and love it and will never get rid of this one most likley. In the past i have tried a few different boost and the same thing happens with all and all amps, The mids are boosted (which is good of course) all low end is lost and all clarity is lost it seems.Now this is the first time ive tried a boost on a marshall and I love it it for soloing, Great sound , fat and warm, But again all lows seem really mid range and kills the treble and presences by 20x.Is there something im missing or is this how they all are?.I run it in the loop which is correct right?.I like kinda a bright sound also so maybe that is my problem here I suggest testing preamp tubes. Just try a bunch of different kinds and see if you can dial in what you want. Between the tubes, the amp's EQ, and the SD-1 controls you may be able to get what you want. Yes, the marshall is very mid-heavy, but dialing up the bass and lowering the presence can help a lot. The right tubes will help you bring out the best in the EQ. I have a Mullard 12AT7 in V1 and someother NOS 12Ax7 in V2 and I love the rhythm and lead tones I am getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead I run it in the loop which is correct right?. Huh... That's probably why you like the fatness of the leads. You are just running it into your poweramp. I assume the loop is a tube buffered mod? Anyhow, run all your overdrives in front of the amp. Right down the throat to slam thepreamp section. Crank the volume and you will get all that fat poweramp compression, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted May 10, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid I suggest testing preamp tubes. Just try a bunch of different kinds and see if you can dial in what you want. Between the tubes, the amp's EQ, and the SD-1 controls you may be able to get what you want. Yes, the marshall is very mid-heavy, but dialing up the bass and lowering the presence can help a lot. The right tubes will help you bring out the best in the EQ. I have a Mullard 12AT7 in V1 and someother NOS 12Ax7 in V2 and I love the rhythm and lead tones I am getting. im very happy with the tone of the amp itself, Im just trying boosting as additional loveliness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stangme01 Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 dude where did you get the idea to run a SD-1 in the loop You use a boost to boost the preamp not the power amp. Man you will probably have a much different sound once you put it in front of the amp. And yeah I love some Marshalls. Like the DSL 50 and 100 these are my favorites for sure. I want one SOOOOOOOOO bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted May 10, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Doesnt putting it in front basically make hotter pickups useless?. It just seems all your doing is changing your guitars pickup output with a pedal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead Doesnt putting it in front basically make hotter pickups useless?. It just seems all your doing is changing your guitars pickup output with a pedal Are you telling us you haven't even tried it yet? Just try it. Then do whatever you ear likes better. Be sure ti give the EQ a chance before you pass up on it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 I see you are in Nashua, NH. Do I have to come up there and try it for you? You are really missing out on that amp if you don't slam the preamp and try different tubes/EQing. That amp has awesome preamp gain. Some of the finest, most natural sounding crunch. If you want that power tube compression, just crank it above half-way, but don't avoid slamming the preamp. Give it a go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stangme01 Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 These days hot pickups aren't even necessary. Although i love alot of hot pickups, its not because they are hot. I'm not sure why people worry about getting hot pickups anymore. And the SD-1 adds a different sound as well, not just a boost. If you want a boost buy a SD pickup booster or soemthing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted May 10, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid Are you telling us you haven't even tried it yet? Just try it. Then do whatever you ear likes better. Be sure ti give the EQ a chance before you pass up on it, though. I tried it 10 minutes after i posted this thread yesterday, Im not giving up on it, I like the sound in both the loop and in front. I can see it being in the loop being good for solo's only though and only certain ones if at that. In front its the same but just adds gain, MY 78 JMP has tons of gain already, Other than that it seems to thin out the lows and thicken up the treble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted May 10, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid I see you are in Nashua, NH. Do I have to come up there and try it for you? You are really missing out on that amp if you don't slam the preamp and try different tubes/EQing. That amp has awesome preamp gain. Some of the finest, most natural sounding crunch. If you want that power tube compression, just crank it above half-way, but don't avoid slamming the preamp. Give it a go... Please let me come to wherever you are so i can actually turn it up to half :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Frankenstrat Posted May 10, 2006 Members Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yeah put distortion/overdrive pedals in the front. You want to overdrive those preamp tubes for juicy tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stangme01 Posted May 11, 2006 Members Share Posted May 11, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead Please let me come to wherever you are so i can actually turn it up to half :cry: I totally feel you there I live in an apt and i've had the cops at my house twice, and just got my first complaint from the leasing office yesterday. {censored} i don't even turn it up much at all. But during the day i can crank my 1/2 stack up about 1/2 way and no one complains cause they are all at work. But i'm usually in the mood at night when i cannot play loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members book_of_lies777 Posted May 12, 2006 Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 wah & dirt boxes = in front time-based stuff = in loop Marshalls {censored}ing ROCK, by the way! (I'll get a real one once we buy a house... damn apartments!! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blinz Posted May 12, 2006 Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 As odd as it may sound, my favorite boost pedal is a TS9DX on the turbo mode. In that mode it has less gain but way more output and tons of low end. I used to boost a Bassman with it and it was incredible although quite loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members surfcat Posted May 12, 2006 Members Share Posted May 12, 2006 I don't have a Marshall, okay, just a little one, but it sounds like that pedal is just not working for you. I'd try some different ones. Maybe just a boost pedal is what you want-or something that gives more transparent gain without changing the basic sound-Super Hard-On, or something like it but cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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