Members puretube Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 still can`t find it here: http://www.thomann.de, neither... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Originally posted by Esperanto That's a compliment...have you seen their average clientele??? :D The last time I went to GC...this azn kid with a mohawk and his girl friend that had like 5 different colored hair plugged a gothic sg into a line 6 and made the worst racket I've ever heard.. The sales clerk went up to the kid and asked him if he needed his guitar tuned.. THe Kid said 'yeah man, could you tune it to drop C" swear to God..that actually happened. am I a snob? What's an azn kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 i correct my previous post, vintage & rare already offer the book:http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index.cfm?method=site.product_list&category_id=57&open_nav=57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Non-Digital Tom Posted May 17, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 WOW! I didn't expect this many replies. I was just bitchin'. Thanks everyone for your kind and helpful replies. I really think their reason is more about profit than anything else.I suppose I could be comforted by the idea that my book is "too good" for GC. But the fact is I just want it to sell. I'm not really in a position to be the Book Nazi. After a year and a half, I haven't even paid back the huge ass loan I took to get the book into print. And that doesn't even account for the two years I spent writing it and not making money. I just thought it would sell a lot better than it has. So I really had my hopes up that the GC deal would be the boost I was looking for.I appreciate everyone's suggestions, but believe me, there isn't a lot I haven't thought of or looked into in the past year and a half. Most online booksellers like Amazon want 55% of the cover price plus other fees. And then they want to mark the cover price down further. Most big publishers can afford to work that way because of the sheer volume they do. They also have more than one book in their catalog. I only have one, and it's more like a boutique thing. It cost me WAY more per copy than the average book. The graphic design fees alone were over $20,000. I did think of a workaround for Amazon - I set myself up as a "Used Bookseller" with them. That way I can sell it "direct from the publisher" and they make a more modest commission on the sale than if they were to carry it.I did speak to a purchasing agent at Barnes & Noble. She thought the book sounded great and was really impressed with how many I've sold on my own. She said, "Great, all you need is a distributor." Basically, another hand in the pie. I found out that nearly all retail booksellers will only work with distributors, otherwise they'd be writing 10,000 checks a month to individual publishers and authors. I've been na Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members workinclasszero Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 It's ironic that part of my limited success at GC was due to me purchasing your book. The whole company has been getting extremely uptight, and the book purchaser is rather clueless. Only a matter of time before the lower level employees have a union, imo. Anyways, {censored} 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Sorry if it sounds obvious Tom but do you sell them on ebay? If it was listed in both books and musical intruments I'm sure you'd sell plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members st. fermin Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 When I worked at GC, I really made an effort to get in cool, boutique, rare and vintage pedals and gear - eventually I was made 'Vintage Gear Manager' or something hokey sounding like that - but being an actual manager gave me the say to bring in a lot of cool stuff. I had even built up my own 'clientele' that I kept in touch with, guys into the old skool, rare and boutique (I hated slinging all the mass produced lo-buck crap) that would have really appreciated your book Tom. If I were still there I would have definitely done my best to get it in the store. Its a shame that there aren't more people with say at GCs that are willing or even interested in bringing in the cool stuff, because honestly even though the bread and butter is Crate, Line 6, Boss Fender etc. there are people in management that actually have a say (even if it is limited in ways) on bringing in things on a store-by-store basis - not that I am trying to defend GC, I had my share of struggles there dealing with lots of company crap too. I will say that I hadn't really had the chance to take a very good look at your book before, but last nite Nick and I were talking about all this, so I took a good look in between making the guts for a bunch of Semaphores. I will say that I was impressed and totally plan on adding it to my reference materials. Not to mention all the eye candy! Its a sweet piece of work. Don't get discouraged, i'm sure good outlets are just around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t_e_l_e Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Originally posted by Non-Digital Tom i'm very sorry for you, cause i really love the book and i wish you more success, but one thing aside: the book business is more worse than the music business.a lot of bands tried to produce their albums on their own, made great songs did great recording, great mastering and production got a couple of cd's pressed and then they found nobody who wants to sell them if oyu don't have a contract with a label, produce how and what they want you can make brilliant music but nobody will help you in the businessthere are millions out there, which write books/script about any topic you can imagine, hand them in to a publisher and get rejected, day by day.the ones who get the ok to be published, get a contract where they don't really make money out of it(as i wrote from my professors experience, and at the time the book was published there was no book on programming c#, it was the first one)book stores sell only books from distributors, because also the distributors and publishers fix the price, if they say they can go down, they can, but they are not allowed to change the price. the margin a book store makes in selling a book is also pretty tight.like the music business the book business is more the same mafia and its really pain in the ass to sell something on your own keep up on the forums, put it up to ebay, i wish you good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members opultaM Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 I honestly don't blame GC. It's a fairly heavy book to carry and I'm sure they're tired from carrying around drumkits and speaker cabs all day. Maybe if you gave them a book-on-tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members utterhack Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Right now, your market is people who are into FX. Get on the shelves at Borders, and your market grows exponentially to include people who buy gifts for people who are into FX, or even for people who just play guitar. There are a lot more girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, wives, moms, dads, brothers, sisters, kids etc out there than there are dudes who would think to buy the book for themselves. It might be worthwhile to bite the bullet on distribution and take a smaller cut of a much larger market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members justing Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Originally posted by bassplayinguy theres a mom and pop store nearby thats is like that... if its not mass produced... they dont know what it is, nor do they seem to care. I got scoffed at when i told them i didnt want to buy a DS-1, i was chatting with one of the employees there and told him i found a nice pedal (not better, different) and when he asked what it was and didnt recognise the name, he totally wrote it off.... disappointing really.... ah well, at least im the only one in town who has a sound of my own, not all mass produced cookie cutter pedals and amps.... Which store was that? Riverside? or Tecumseh Music? or Long and McQuade's? It could be any of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Non-Digital Tom Posted May 17, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Originally posted by alteredsounds Sorry if it sounds obvious Tom but do you sell them on ebay? If it was listed in both books and musical intruments I'm sure you'd sell plenty. Got it.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7415831611&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robzilla Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 i was just browsing trough my copy (which i got in the katrina relief ) and realised again it is sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bucky Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 I'll be picking up a book pretty soon, as soon as I can scrape some cash together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blinz Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Try these shops: BCR Music - 717.730.9775 Triple R Guitar - 717.730.9028 Both are located in/near Harrisburg, PA and the owners of both shops are pretty cool. I buy most of my gear from these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members puretube Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Originally posted by puretube still can`t find it here: http://www.thomann.de, neither... tried these markets yet?:http://www.diystompboxes.com/wb/ http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=94yes, I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadSkillzMan Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Originally posted by Non-Digital Tom W The graphic design fees alone were over $20,000. Tom you do another book, you come talk to me. I aint gonna cost you no 20k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gappie Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 no guitar centre around here. dont worry, the book will find its way to the people that really are interested. maybe amazon is not so bad idea. and dont forget europe and japan. great book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadSkillzMan Posted May 17, 2006 Members Share Posted May 17, 2006 Dunno if its been asked already, BUT, have you whored it on ebay? just make it always available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Non-Digital Tom Posted May 18, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 18, 2006 I just got an e-mail that leads me to believe this story ain't over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MadSkillzMan Posted May 18, 2006 Members Share Posted May 18, 2006 Do tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members #16 Posted May 18, 2006 Members Share Posted May 18, 2006 Originally posted by seifukusha i will! send me a copy! just one! please! Hurrow! :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Esperanto Posted May 18, 2006 Members Share Posted May 18, 2006 Originally posted by MrSage What's an azn kid? asian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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