Members tnttnttnt Posted June 13, 2006 Members Share Posted June 13, 2006 I need a good modeller to record a few songs. I am not interested in the effects, I know they're probably crap (I'm getting a Tc-electronic rack for that). Which one is better in terms of amp modelling? I am interested in convincing metal tones for direct recording and maybe also for using it as a traditional pre-amp. So far the Behringer sounds great, but a friend told me that it has digital clipping issues (like the input is too high or somethiing). True? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members book_of_lies777 Posted June 13, 2006 Members Share Posted June 13, 2006 the input gain is adjustable on the V-Amp - I've never had any clipping issues, personally.IMHO, a fair comparison is POD 2.0 vs. V-Amp2 - I think the various XTs are a step Behringer hasn't taken yet with their amp modeler. I could be wrong, of course... You're right - the effects are okay, but nothing to write home about, especially compared to dedicated stompboxes, or good rack gear - it's the amp models that are the cool {censored}. ...again, my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MoreGuitars Posted June 14, 2006 Members Share Posted June 14, 2006 Originally posted by blackmoreisgod the input gain is adjustable on the V-Amp - I've never had any clipping issues, personally. IMHO, a fair comparison is POD 2.0 vs. V-Amp2 - I think the various XTs are a step Behringer hasn't taken yet with their amp modeler. I could be wrong, of course... You're right - the effects are okay, but nothing to write home about, especially compared to dedicated stompboxes, or good rack gear - it's the amp models that are the cool {censored}. ...again, my 2 cents. I think that's pretty accurate. i would give the V-amp2 the edge in high gain over POD 2.0, But the XT with the amp packs is in another league IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tnttnttnt Posted June 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 14, 2006 I was also considering the Sansamp PSA 1.1 as it is all analog, but the online high gain mp3 sample sounds like {censored}. It's almost like they did it with a MT-2 through a crate amp.http://www.tech21nyc.com/sounds/psa_sounds/PSAHvy-S.MP3 And it's pricey too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members olejason Posted June 14, 2006 Members Share Posted June 14, 2006 I've owned a V-amp2 and PodXT. For metal, the XT is in a whole other league. I don't agree that you need to spend the extra money on the metal packs although that's certainly yet another step above the v-amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ronsonic B Posted June 14, 2006 Members Share Posted June 14, 2006 I'd be inclined to try a Sansamp set to a somewhat gainy, crunchy tone then put your standard metal pedals in front of it. IOW, use the Sansamp as a buffer and tone shaper for the same rig you'd use to play it live. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members mfergel Posted June 14, 2006 Members Share Posted June 14, 2006 Well, I've owned pretty much every modeler so far. Several of them multiple times. Not simply for the buck, but so far, the V-Amp is one of my favorite for recording purposes. For live, it does sound a little more solid state than some of the others. But, even live, I prefer the V-Amp over the POD 2. Now, the POD PRO sounds much better than the standard bean POD. I think the V-Amp does cleans better than the POD. There is a little more sparkle on the high end. The effects between the two are pretty much the same. Now, the XT offers some great features, but it has this fizz in the top end. Bothers me (and a lot of other folks). A lot of people say it doesn't matter or to EQ it out, but when you are recording and stacking tracks, it becomes even more apparent. The GNX3000 is a nice unit. Works really well for recording. I feel like it's similar in tone to the V-Amp, but has a lot more clarity to it. I think much of that is because of it's effects. Ultimately, the Tonelab kicks butt for live use (if you don't need a lot of high gain Meshugah, Children of Bodeom, etc). The POD XT and GT-8 have the best effecs sections (the GNX3000 isn't too bad), the V-Amp and GNX3000 seem to perform the best at recording direct. I prefer the V-Amp a bit over the GNX because the V-Amp seems to have a bit more of a processed/mastered tone to it. The original POD/POD PRO seem to be a bit lifeless and flat when recording direct. I actually prefered my original SANS AMP over the POD for direct recording (although it wasn't anywhere near as versitle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mfergel Posted June 14, 2006 Members Share Posted June 14, 2006 tnttnttnt, your mailbox is full......In response to your message to me....... I haven't. I've been looking to find a good deal on either the ADA cabinet simulator or the Palmer simulator. I haven't tried running it through one of the emulators because I really feel they would have too much affect on the signal (because of their effects and other simulations). I have 100's of tones for the V-amp. If you get one, let me know. I can probably zip them up and email them to you if you have a high speed connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bsumpter Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 I'll probably get blasted for this post, but here goes... I have a V-Amp Pro, Zoom G2, and play in a band with a guy using a Pod XT Live.The Pod XT sounds better to me than the V-Amp Pro live. The Pod doesn't have a switch lag problem, and just sounds fuller through an amp to my ears. But I think the V-Amp Pro at least runs with it neck and neck for recording purposes. I've found for recording there's some things the Pod XT can do better, and there's some things the V-Amp can do better. But it's a pretty even race.The little Zoom caught me off guard. I wasn't expecting it to sound as good as it did. I haven't recorded with it yet, but the quality of the effects and overall sound when ran into a tube amp is incredible. I guess the 24bit/96khz and 32 bit CPU really do make a difference.I tried it straight through the PA with the band one day, and it held its own against the POD, IMHO. Wasn't as dialed in, but I had only had it a few days. But everyone complimented it.What did I do? I'm keeping the Vamp Pro as its a proven recording device that works for me. I'm keeping the G2 as a backup efx unit for gigs.And Friday, my new Zoom G9.2tt should be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mfergel Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 I owned the Zoom twice. Hated it both times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bsumpter Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 Originally posted by bsumpter I'll probably get blasted for this post, but here goes... Told ya ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mfergel Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 Hey, the reason I bought it a second time was because everyone kept saying how much they liked it so I decided to give it a second chance. Nope, hated it the second time as well, but I love my little Zoom portable 9003. I ran the G2 through several setups; tube and solid state, created my own patches, etc. Sounded too thin too me and to some extent, too digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bsumpter Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 To be fair, I haven't recorded with the G2 yet, and most of my experience with it is as amp effects. I only used it as a modeler once for rehearsal, but I felt it held its own. I do feel the effects completely blow the V-Amp effects out of the water. I also feel I don't lose the "tubeiness" of my amp when it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ssslayer Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 Originally posted by tnttnttnt I was also considering the Sansamp PSA 1.1 as it is all analog, but the online high gain mp3 sample sounds like {censored}. It's almost like they did it with a MT-2 through a crate amp.http://www.tech21nyc.com/sounds/psa_sounds/PSAHvy-S.MP3And it's pricey too. LMAOYou call that {censored}?IT sounds one of the warmest and most mellow metal tone I have ever heard!PSA-1 rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tnttnttnt Posted June 15, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 I beg to differ. It sounds fizzy dude. In fact to me it sounds exactly the opposite of how you described it. To tell you the truth, I wish I liked it... In theory it's the perfect thing for me. Originally posted by ssslayer LMAO You call that {censored}? IT sounds one of the warmest and most mellow metal tone I have ever heard! PSA-1 rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mfergel Posted June 15, 2006 Members Share Posted June 15, 2006 I thought it sounded good, but I did hear a bit of fizz on the top as well. Tough to say how much the eq'ing, etc. had to play in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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