Great rack reverb and delay?

[Fred5]

It's got to have midi and sound awesome.

Maybe I should get 2 separate units?

[losergeek]

line 6 echo pro for delay

kurzweil rumour for reverb

 

that's what i got

[threm]

The Rumour has many friends, should do the job.

 

Can`t go wrong with the TC2290.

Recently out of production I believe.

 

 

Or you could put it all in one box for the ultimate effects beast,

reverbs, delays, filters, harmonizers, looper

 

 

Just a detail, one of the massive things this machine can do

 

"With V4.5 you can create your own scales, comprised of five to twelve notes, and choose the exact amount of pitch shifting applied to each single note in your custom scale, opening up territories like counterpoint, hybrid harmonies, poly-tonality, ethnic harmonies, and much more. This powerful algorithm gives you the possibility to create up to twelve custom scales and apply up to eight voices of pitch shifting to each scale with up to two seconds of delay per voice. You can also micro-tune each voice in one percent increments and add pitch modulation via LFO. Manual settings and MIDI modulation of parameters allow the transposition of stored scales. Calibration provides adjustment of pitch detection parameters for optimizing pitch shifting results for different source material."

 

On the other hand, who has time to program this monster ..

[tone_crafter]

I was looking at getting a G-Major for my reverbs but I don't think I'd use the other effects it offers so I'm keen to know of a reverb unit that's not too expensive as well. Something thats preferably cheaper than the G-major. What are the TC electronic reverb units like?

[GuyaGuy]

sorry...

 

someone's gotta post it so it might as well be me...

 

 

 

 

great rack

 

 

 

 

 

reverb

 

 

 

and delay

 

[TimmyP]

The TCs are good. Dual stereo engines.

 

The cheap ones have a verb only stereo engine and an effects only stereo engine.

 

The M2000 stereo engines are whichever you want them to be, and it has pitch shifting.

 

The M1 seems to save BOTH stereo engines as a patch, which I found to be a pain, at least for my use (PA).

 

The Rumour is only a single stereo engine, but a very good one - very smooth verbs. I liked it so much I pulled it and the M2000 out of the rack and got a KSP8 (I've seen them for $1400 used). You can't make glitch-free changes on the fly though. But you get a lot of engines - eight, that you can configure as you please.

[Fred5]

I think I'll try to find an old Lexicon Jamman delay/looper. Then I need a dedicated reverb gizmo to go with it.

 

Thanks for the input so far

 

 

I would like something where you don't have to go into menues

to do everything. I need some real time control from the front panel.

 

And it has to sound great, of course.

[Jack Luminous]

If you're looking solely for reverbs and delays, don't want to spend a ton and really sound good, check out a used Lexicon MPX-1. You cannot find a better sounding unit in this price range !!

[threm]

 

Originally posted by Fred5 I think I'll try to find an old Lexicon Jamman delay/looper. Then

 

If you do check out Bob Sellons Jamman upgrade site

http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/

 

It`s been discussed on the loopersdelight forum.

A search like `Jamman upgrade` will bring up some threads.

 

edit - forgot the the link

http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive

[fusionid]

Originally posted by GuyaGuy sorry... someone's gotta post it so it might as well be me... great rack

 

I thought you were gay

[JohnRageOn]

1.KORG DL8000R for delays (it can sample up to 10 secs stereo, and up to 20 mono). You can also dial amazing flanging and chorus effects from it.

2.LEXICON PCM-91 for reverbs

[Jack Luminous]

 

Originally posted by JohnRageOn 1.KORG DL8000R for delays (it can sample up to 10 secs stereo, and up to 20 mono). You can also dial amazing flanging and chorus effects from it. 2.LEXICON PCM-91 for reverbs

 

 

A PCM-91 is totally overkill for a guitar rack ... Get a MPX-1 instead and be happy for a fourth of the price.

[threm]

 

Originally posted by JohnRageOn 1.KORG DL8000R for delays (it can sample up to 10 secs stereo, and up to 20 mono).

 

I`ve got the DL8000R along with other rack delays like the Symetrix 606 which I think sound better. Also called "the poor mans PCM42".

Not in production for very long. There are three on ebay now (don`t always pop up very often), one with a BIN US $275 which I think is a steal. Very nice filter part for more vintage/lo-fi delays.

Original price was $649.

http://instruments.search.ebay.com/symetrix-606_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQsacatZ619

 

Pics

http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:FlVkIicr4bIJ:cgi1.ebay.es/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItemWithCategory%26item%3D7410869584+%22symetrix+606%22&hl=no&ct=clnk&cd=9

 

"Yippieeh!

 

i just managed to find and buy a 606 used & mint!

i'm heavenly happy cos it kicks ass like no other delay unit i ever had - and i had almost all of em.

its filter an d routing capabilities are the key to

outrageous dub echos.

 

heavily recommended!

don't go for a d-two or echo pro, go for a 606! "

http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discus/messages/1/555.html?1060869396

 

"It is hard to believe this little thing can do what it can do. I have owned a TC2290, a Korg SDD-3000, and a Korg DDL8000R among others, and this thing sounds as crystal as any, but at the same time has warmth and character. It is like having two TC2290's since you can use this unit in duel mode and control the perameters seperately between each channel. It has an extensive menue of adjustable parameters if you want to use them, more then any other unit I've used, but you don't have to use them if you don't want to, so if you want to keep it simple it is fine, but if you like fine tuning, this unit beats them all. It has modulation effects too that are very professional sounding. You can get some very weird sounds out of it too if you like and also add modulation to the delay which adds to it's possabilities. As for it's midi capabilities, it has no equal, very extensive, and more then I will ever need!"

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Symetrix/606_Delay_FX-1.html

 

 

From a delay connoisseur deluxe

 

"These are what I consider to be the delay Hall of Fame:

 

1) Lexicon PCM42-Still going strong!!! Works great on everything. Sounds great with analog tape or DAW tracks doen't matter.

 

1a)PCM41- The older brother of the 42. While not as sexy, it still gets the job done.

 

2)TC2290- Everything you need right on the front. Only two drawbacks 1) Doesn't sound great on everything 2)It was never true stereo. Other than that a true classic.

 

3)The AMS 1580- Somone covered it earlier.

 

4)Roland SDE3000- Small with no vents(so it overheats), but sounds great. The display was lame, but hey it was the 80's.

 

5)Lexicon Super Prime Time- Super delay!!!

 

6)Yamaha D5000-A secret weapon, versatile with all kinds of funky patches. Bob Clearmountains favorite.

 

7)Sony D7-Special effects and cool delays.

 

8)Any delay by Delta Labs.

 

9)One of my secret weapons- the Symetrix 606, the closest thing to a PCM42. Lousy display(basically none). But sounds as close to the real thing (I just run it through a pair of SPX90's in bypass) and I get that natural 80's digital roll off.

 

10)There are so many pedals, spring reverbs, and tape echo machines to name."

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=754&highlight=Symetrix+606

 

Reviews

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/oct97/symetrix606.html

http://www.infinitesound.com/606.htm

http://www.effectsdatabase.com/reviews/398/

[Kestral]

I owned both the Lexicon PCM 42 and the PCM 41. They are both about 95% similar in terms of sound, but that last 5% made a world of difference, enough to justify paying that much more for the 42.

[Fred5]

Damn, threm, I missed a 606 recently. I couldn't make up my mind fast enough. At the time I had never heard of it.

 

Next time I'll buy it

 

I don't do ebay. I'm in Sweden and it's too much of a hazzle. I'll just have to wait for

one to show up again or get a Jamman - really liked the sound and interface of that one...

 

The MPX-1 cost over $1500 here - no way

I'm paying that. Also, I don't know if it has

enough instant access to parameters on the front.

[GuyaGuy]

Originally posted by fusionid I thought you were gay

 

i can see you're disappointed.

 

but anyhow...who said being gay should stop you from admiring a nice rack?

[jeverist]

hmm...I am tempted to bid on that 606. Have you owned a SDD-3000, I wonder how it compares? The features look similar, although it looks like you have more modulation/filtering capabilities with the 606.

 

As an owner of the SDD-3000 and the TC D2, though, I feel the D2 hasn't been given enough credit. The fact that you can stagger up to 10 different delay times in parallel makes for some of the most realistic echoes I've ever heard from a delay unit.

 

Not to mention, this thing has not just tap tempo, but tap rhythm. The rhythmic capabilities if you are into the Edge stuff are pretty much unequalled.

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by threm I`ve got the DL8000R along with other rack delays like the Symetrix 606 which I think sound better. Also called "the poor mans PCM42". Not in production for very long. There are three on ebay now (don`t always pop up very often), one with a BIN US $275 which I think is a steal. Very nice filter part for more vintage/lo-fi delays. Original price was $649. http://instruments.search.ebay.com/symetrix-606_Musical-Instruments_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfromZR4QQsacatZ619 Pics http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:FlVkIicr4bIJ:cgi1.ebay.es/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItemWithCategory%26item%3D7410869584+%22symetrix+606%22&hl=no&ct=clnk&cd=9 "Yippieeh! i just managed to find and buy a 606 used & mint! i'm heavenly happy cos it kicks ass like no other delay unit i ever had - and i had almost all of em. its filter an d routing capabilities are the key to outrageous dub echos. heavily recommended! don't go for a d-two or echo pro, go for a 606! " http://www.interruptor.ch/cgi-bin/discus/messages/1/555.html?1060869396 "It is hard to believe this little thing can do what it can do. I have owned a TC2290, a Korg SDD-3000, and a Korg DDL8000R among others, and this thing sounds as crystal as any, but at the same time has warmth and character. It is like having two TC2290's since you can use this unit in duel mode and control the perameters seperately between each channel. It has an extensive menue of adjustable parameters if you want to use them, more then any other unit I've used, but you don't have to use them if you don't want to, so if you want to keep it simple it is fine, but if you like fine tuning, this unit beats them all. It has modulation effects too that are very professional sounding. You can get some very weird sounds out of it too if you like and also add modulation to the delay which adds to it's possabilities. As for it's midi capabilities, it has no equal, very extensive, and more then I will ever need!" http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Symetrix/606_Delay_FX-1.html From a delay connoisseur deluxe "These are what I consider to be the delay Hall of Fame: 1) Lexicon PCM42-Still going strong!!! Works great on everything. Sounds great with analog tape or DAW tracks doen't matter. 1a)PCM41- The older brother of the 42. While not as sexy, it still gets the job done. 2)TC2290- Everything you need right on the front. Only two drawbacks 1) Doesn't sound great on everything 2)It was never true stereo. Other than that a true classic. 3)The AMS 1580- Somone covered it earlier. 4)Roland SDE3000- Small with no vents(so it overheats), but sounds great. The display was lame, but hey it was the 80's. 5)Lexicon Super Prime Time- Super delay!!! 6)Yamaha D5000-A secret weapon, versatile with all kinds of funky patches. Bob Clearmountains favorite. 7)Sony D7-Special effects and cool delays. 8)Any delay by Delta Labs. 9)One of my secret weapons- the Symetrix 606 , the closest thing to a PCM42. Lousy display(basically none). But sounds as close to the real thing (I just run it through a pair of SPX90's in bypass) and I get that natural 80's digital roll off. 10)There are so many pedals, spring reverbs, and tape echo machines to name." http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=754&highlight=Symetrix+606 Reviews http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/oct97/symetrix606.html http://www.infinitesound.com/606.htm http://www.effectsdatabase.com/reviews/398/

 

[Jack Luminous]

Originally posted by Fred5 Damn, threm, I missed a 606 recently. I couldn't make up my mind fast enough. At the time I had never heard of it. Next time I'll buy it I don't do ebay. I'm in Sweden and it's too much of a hazzle. I'll just have to wait for one to show up again or get a Jamman - really liked the sound and interface of that one... The MPX-1 cost over $1500 here - no way I'm paying that. Also, I don't know if it has enough instant access to parameters on the front.

 

In France, you can find them for 400 euros used. It's a very good price for the quality of the machine. Yes you can configure a "soft row" on the front panel to access the most important parameters in each presets.

[threm]

Originally posted by jeverist hmm...I am tempted to bid on that 606. Have you owned a SDD-3000, I wonder how it compares? The features look similar, although it looks like you have more modulation/filtering capabilities with the 606. As an owner of the SDD-3000 and the TC D2, though, I feel the D2 hasn't been given enough credit. The fact that you can stagger up to 10 different delay times in parallel makes for some of the most realistic echoes I've ever heard from a delay unit. Not to mention, this thing has not just tap tempo, but tap rhythm. The rhythmic capabilities if you are into the Edge stuff are pretty much unequalled.

Jeverist, I have a SDD2000 but haven`t compared it directly to the 606 as the last one has been in the studio racks. It`s a deeper box than the SDD series, still quite hands on with the soft touch front buttons. Whether it sounds better in a gtr rig than the SDD3000 I don`t know but as a general studio delay the 606 would be a clear winner IMHO.

I know the TC D2, actually I have one I haven`t used a lot (mine fault and not the box) and it`s got some special tricks up the sleeve, but I still believe the 606 has the sound.

 

Are you looking for mainly a guitar delay?