Members Ray18 Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 we can put a man on the moon but we can't make a perfect vacuum tube emulator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The*Ataris Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Why? Did you have to retube a Road King today or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by Ray18 we can put a man on the moon but we can't make a perfect vacuum tube emulator Define perfect. Some tube devices sound pretty bad. Some emulations (both digital and analog) sound pretty good. Tech 21 and the H&K zenTera for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ejk Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 It'll happen relatively soon, compare the first Line 6 amps with the stuff that they have out now. They'll eventually get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Marshall Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by ejk It'll happen relatively soon, compare the first Line 6 amps with the stuff that they have out now. They'll eventually get there. The big problem line six has is the power amp sections just dont have the headroom. There are solid state devices that have similar properties as tubes. I read an something a while back about a guy that was at NAMM that had drop in replacements for EL84 tubes that were jfet based. The biggest problem with using something like jfets, is that you still have to run the amp at the same voltages to get the same results, which means you still have to have a two heavy transformers, but at least you dont have the jfets drawing heater current constanty, but it still doesnt have the same cost cutting benefits that bipolar power amps have. I havent really done that much experimenting with jfets at high voltage, and i have only built two tube amps, but just looking at the differences between solid state and tube amps work is that solid state (bipolar based anyways) drives the load (speaker) directy, whereas tube amps generate a high voltage low current through a transformer and is converted to high current low(er) voltage before driving the load. When you get close to clipping SS is like pulling on a chain, whereas tubes are like a rubberband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 5macca Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 put a man on the moon?? are you talking about that {censored}ty movie they made in the late 60's?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by ejk It'll happen relatively soon, compare the first Line 6 amps with the stuff that they have out now. They'll eventually get there. Line6 made one of the first modeling things I heard; Amp Farm. I loved the idea.Having said that, I don't think I would buy any Line6 unit if I wanted great tube emulation. At least based on what I have heard (POD and some of their amps). The last time I tried their stuff was maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Perhaps they have improved. On the other hand some friends who make a living playing guitar, regularly gig with Line6 stuff. Even they've told me it's not the "best" in terms of sound, but it's pretty versatile and convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators The Eristic Posted June 22, 2006 Moderators Share Posted June 22, 2006 Ever played a Pritchard amp? They're pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bieke Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 I'll say it then, solid state can't sound like tubesand vice versabut both sound good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evilbuttmuncher Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 ive seen a few pedals with like 1 12ax7 tube hooked up to it... i didnt know if it would be a legit pedal though so i decided to not get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dot-dot-dot Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 In answer to the original post, why? I mean, modelling kit does sound like the amps it models - perhaps nto exactly like, but enough that most guitarists would be able to say "ah, that's meant to be an AC30", or "sounds like a Plexi" even if they wouldn't say "Wow - you managed to stick a Twin into a Line6 cab!". But why bother? Each has advantages and disadvantages, so why not use each to its best capabilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Marshall Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by dot-dot-dot In answer to the original post, why?I mean, modelling kit does sound like the amps it models - perhaps nto exactly like, but enough that most guitarists would be able to say "ah, that's meant to be an AC30", or "sounds like a Plexi" even if they wouldn't say "Wow - you managed to stick a Twin into a Line6 cab!".But why bother? Each has advantages and disadvantages, so why not use each to its best capabilities? yeah, its just too bad they cant make tubes and transformers as cheap as they can make proprietary DSP chips. You will know when the real thing is here when they stop releasing new ones every 2 years, and used prices stablize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by The Eristic Ever played a Pritchard amp? They're pretty amazing. Too bad they're so expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ray18 Posted June 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by dot-dot-dot In answer to the original post, why? I mean, modelling kit does sound like the amps it models - perhaps nto exactly like, but enough that most guitarists would be able to say "ah, that's meant to be an AC30", or "sounds like a Plexi" even if they wouldn't say "Wow - you managed to stick a Twin into a Line6 cab!". But why bother? Each has advantages and disadvantages, so why not use each to its best capabilities? Yeah, but the dynamics aren't there no touch sensitivity or being able to clean up with the volume knob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eddie Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by Ray18 Yeah, but the dynamics aren't there no touch sensitivity or being able to clean up with the volume knob Dynamics and response are things I haven't liked in modelers. Guitar Rig 2 and the zenTera are pretty good in that regard. Even response to the guitar's volume is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachary vex Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stompboxx Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by zachary vex Ooh. When's that ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newstrat60 Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 when i saw in 1st page the title of the thread and the name "zachary vex", I KNEW something was happenin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bieke Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 where's my wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachary vex Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by stompboxx Ooh. When's that ready? not sayin'. 8^P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spentron Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 I personally believe someone needs to make a tube amp that sounds like tubes first, instead of like a Fender or Marshall or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newstrat60 Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Question for Zach: will the non-vexter (painted) version be loaded with your great and sooo soft "NKK" switches ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alteredsounds Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 When will Volvo build a button that'll make my car emulate a Ferrarri? When will they develop feel-o-vision monitors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachary vex Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by newstrat60 Question for Zach: will the non-vexter (painted) version be loaded with your great and sooo soft "NKK" switches ? nope. the majority of my pedals will use the blue 3pdt switch because it allows led switching without extra parts, and because it's probably the most reliable stomp switch in the history of the business. sorry... not everyone uses their hands to switch pedals. 8^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zachary vex Posted June 22, 2006 Members Share Posted June 22, 2006 Originally posted by alteredsounds When will Volvo build a button that'll make my car emulate a Ferrarri? When will they develop feel-o-vision monitors? remember smell-o-vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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