Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Just recently came back from my girls home island of Mauritius where they have their own special brand of local music similar to Dub and Reggae called Sega and a dub version called Seggae ... bought allot of jams over there and taped allot of the classical and contemporary Indian music which mixes with the creole language into Sega and Segae. All this got me back into my Dub roots collections and the early PIL and Jah Wobble stuff that later drifts into Bill Laswell, Adrian Sherwood and Creation Rebel, Dub Syndicate and the like. So in going back further been listening to allot of Black Ark stuff tonight Lee Scratch Perry et al. Anybody else into heavy mind altering dub? My faves are as mentioned but more or less ... King Tubby Lee Perry Rasta Far I Creation Rebel Dub Syndicate Scientist PIL Jah Wobble Style Scott Some other great comps are X-ray Dub and DubMission - I also get a big kick out of early Grace Jones Island Life period also - what a {censored}in band! So dubbers and toasters, what's your taste cause it is bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 27, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by inscho Then {censored} off out if it foo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members inscho Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Then {censored} off out if it foo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 27, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 A bump Jah bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 i found a pic of this thread:oh! the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by GuyaGuy i found a pic of this thread: oh! the humanity! I don't get it ... I'm among a bunch of Dub plebe's ... I'll take it to the Bass forum then where they know where it's at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 And further more ... you {censored}ers should be ashamed NOT being hip to dub when it's {censored}ing experimental tape delay and reverb city! OLD SCHOOL! Meh ... I'm too hip for this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 sorry.i hope these pix help...dubbers...and toasters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Ahhh what do you expect from pigs but a grunt ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blungo Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 No, no!Don't hold our ignorance against us (well, i guess you should hold it against a couple {censored} heads...)I don't know doo-da about dub but i'd love to learn about it. Please enlighten us! And thanks for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER Ahhh what do you expect from pigs but a grunt ... sorry. it just never captured my imagination. even when it pops up as an influence in bands i dig like PIL and bauhaus i just kinda tolerate it.if you wanna start a thread on early reggae or 60's ska, however, then i'm your man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaSkip Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hey Tiki, Give me a link where I can sample some of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by Blungo No, no! Please enlighten us! And thanks for doing so. Well check any of the influences mentioned in my above list as places to start - it was Don Letts who was a DJ at the 100 Club in London during the 70's that used to play Dub reggae as the default music to the Punk scene ( I hate using the word Punk though ) ... it formed the backbone and influence for so much that came later including drum & bass and trip hop.There are no specific sites I can think of but check out ONU Sound and Adrian Sherwood as well as Lee Perry and other influences above and just do a google search and go from there. Check albums by the above artists also at Amazon to get an idea too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by GuyaGuy If you wanna start a thread on early reggae or 60's ska, however, then i'm your man. This is the same thread ... dub is just the B-side extended mix of standard Reggae and Ska --- I'm amazed you dig one but not the other though I must admit I'm less interested in straight Reggae than I am Dub Reggae. Why don't you just jump in with you faves and why etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by DaSkip Hey Tiki, Give me a link where I can sample some of this stuff. Hey man,Check this link as it's the ONU SOUND catalogue for Creation Rebel ... people like Jah Wobble and Keith Levine from PIL played on many of these early recordings along side West Indian and Jamaican musicians in the late 70's and early 80's ... there was a big cultural overlap between the Punk scene and the London Reggae and Dub scene.http://www.skysaw.org/onu/discography/creationrebeldiscog.html#cr-onulp8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by TIKIROCKER This is the same thread ... dub is just the B-side extended mix of standard Reggae and Ska --- I'm amazed you dig one but not the other though I must admit I'm less interested in straight Reggae than I am Dub Reggae. Why don't you just jump in with you faves and why etc. you'd think i'd be MORE into dub than trad reggae since it's kinda spacey, which i usually like in music (Floyd, Spiritualized, Radiohead). but dub usually involves extended sections of music without melodic development that just become a bit tiresome for me. but i guess a lot of people would say the same thing about some Spiritualized so there you go. i guess mostly it's that the first jamaican music i got into was 60's ska: Skatalites, early Maytals, Desmond Dekker, et al. so in the back of my head dub is always like a bastardization of that. or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bucky Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 I have the Trojan Dub Massive collection. I love it, I could listen to it all day. Bill Laswell is the man. I'll have to check out those artists you mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by bucky I have the Trojan Dub Massive collection. I love it, I could listen to it all day. Bill Laswell is the man. I'll have to check out those artists you mentioned above. Sweeeet man, yeah ... Laswell is THE MAN! But yeah definately check out Adrian Sherwood and particularly the first few Creation Rebel and Dub Syndicate albums and work your way into stuff from there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Onswah Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by GuyaGuy and toasters... DLTBGYD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 when the thompson twins and babble broke up, tom bailey went and started djing and doing dub again (old old TT has a lot of dub influence). thyre called int'l observer and they won alot of awards and played with all the greats. international observer, check them out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slideroni Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Yeah I love the dub. Scientist and the late great King Tubby especially. Not a lot of interest here due to the lack of weedely-weedely guitar. I've done my own version, messing about with delay and reverb units and the faders... this was a few years back. Analog! The Dub process lends itself to the old school tools: tape, actual physical sliders on a board, outboard effects units. Done on the fly. Nowadays recording is done digitally- no real faders, everything done in the computer, hence premeditated. Would be interested to hear from anyone making dub digitally, particularly using Logic or Protools. I guess you have to plan it out first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TIKILOCKEDOUT Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by slideroni Yeah I love the dub. Scientist and the late great King Tubby especially. Not a lot of interest here due to the lack of weedely-weedely guitar. I've done my own version, messing about with delay and reverb units and the faders... this was a few years back. Analog! The Dub process lends itself to the old school tools: tape, actual physical sliders on a board, outboard effects units. Done on the fly. Nowadays recording is done digitally- no real faders, everything done in the computer, hence premeditated. Would be interested to hear from anyone making dub digitally, particularly using Logic or Protools. I guess you have to plan it out first... I've done dub recording tracks to a Digital hard disk recorder ... it's all outboard though but it sounded the {censored}! I've long been a bass player just as much a guitarist and love playing bass patterns and then adding layers of tape echo with voice and drums tracks ... it's easily workable but ya have to have a feel for it when doing it. If you like Scientist you should really check out Adrian Sherwood and Creation Rebel/Dub Syndicate ... damn I have some great dub tunes I've recorded in the past but can't make them MP3 at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Boron Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Mighty jah-jah's big bad bass and echo-dek abuse has a vice grip on Wellington, NZ. Honestly, you can't move for dub in this town.... and apparently NZ buys the most dub and reggae percapita than any ther country aside from Jamaica. As for me? I dig King Tubby, PiL, Lee Perry, Sizzla, Capleton, Augustus Pablo, and lots of other cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AbbeSauniere Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Love Dub. Just had a Augustus Pablo vs King Tubby and The Rockers disc in the car. I think that's where my delay obssession stems from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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