Members chu2 Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 And I'm not talking about tape-delay, binson echorecs, etc. What is the actual difference between a digital delay pedal like the Boss DD-3 and an analog like the Memory Man? Don't both use circuitry to record the audio, then play it back? A.K.A. analog-digital-analog? I was just wondering about this yesterday and wondered if you guys could tell me the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dot-dot-dot Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Yes. The digital one samples and quantises the incoming audio, creating a stream of numbers that represents the waveform. The analogue one samples the waveform and dumps charge into a chip depending on the waveform amplitude. Both sample, but the digital one then accurately measures the waveform and stores a representation of it. The analogue one just approximates it. Some people think this is more musical, but the truth is that there are good digital delays and bad digital delays and good analogue delays and bad analogue delays, and really it's not worth agonising over the insides of a pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members POGphile Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Thinks of Simon says, played with robot and an mime artist Digital Delay - robot imitating your moves, move for move and at exactly set parameters - feedback,etc. Analog Delay - is an mime artist imitating your moves, approximating them while adding life to them on their own, roughly following your set parameters... Which would you want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dot-dot-dot Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 I really, really hate mime artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilbo26 Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Zeus: Are you aiming for these people?McClane: No. [Pauses] Well, maybe that mime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 They are identical. "Digital" and "analog" is just marketing mumbo-jumbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members POGphile Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 True. If you are tone deaf then there really is no debate. Hell those glass tubes in the professional amps are really there to shine a little light for the set list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dot-dot-dot Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco They are identical. "Digital" and "analog" is just marketing mumbo-jumbo. Actually, I AB'd a BYOC delay (digital) with a DMM (analogue?) and ignoring the modulation they sound pretty darned similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Boron Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by dot-dot-dot Actually, I AB'd a BYOC delay (digital) with a DMM (analogue?) and ignoring the modulation they sound pretty darned similar. Holy crap! What about the oscillation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dot-dot-dot Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Erm... broadly similar. I didn't do any sort of blind testing, but it occured to me that the grunginess on long delay times was of a similar nature, and the overall tonality seemed similar to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ray18 Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by dot-dot-dot I really, really hate mime artists. hey, mime is money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoulSerenade Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 I've always loved these descriptions by dot.. The MonkeyFX Guides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by POGphile True. If you are tone deaf then there really is no debate. Hell those glass tubes in the professional amps are really there to shine a little light for the set list. Simmer down there, retard. I was clearly joking. God, does a brother have to do one of these with every sarcastic comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members POGphile Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by dot-dot-dot Actually, I AB'd a BYOC delay (digital) with a DMM (analogue?) and ignoring the modulation they sound pretty darned similar. try AB-ing Danelectro DD and Maxon AD-9... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco Simmer down there, retard. I was clearly joking. God, does a brother have to do one of these with every sarcastic comment? hmm... hey, papa taco...did you know that the Empress Tremolo has an all-analog audio path but the trem is controlled digitally via opto technology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by GuyaGuy hmm... hey, papa taco...did you know that the Empress Tremolo has an all-analog audio path but the trem is controlled digitally via opto technology? Really, I'll be sure to tell that to my incoming Semaphore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members POGphile Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco Simmer down there, retard. I was clearly joking. God, does a brother have to do one of these with every sarcastic comment? So why do you have to be a dick? How about you keep trap shut when adults are having a discusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco Really, I'll be sure to tell that to my incoming Semaphore. oh you scored one? cool! saw in another thread that you were wheeling and dealing. if i wanted a very straightforward trem i would've gone for a semaphore too but i'm always seduced by bells and/or whistles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BmoreTele Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Analog delays are usually limited to 300 ms of maximum delay time. Some go higher, the highest I've seen is the 1400 ms of the Moog M104SD. Digital delays can go a lot longer. Limited only by the size of the memory chip, I guess. Most useful musical delay times are under a second anyway. Over that and you're in ambient, experimental, frippertronics land. Or looping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by POGphile So why do you have to be a dick? How about you keep trap shut when adults are having a discusion. Play a couple licks on my Balls Amp, will ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by GuyaGuy oh you scored one? cool! saw in another thread that you were wheeling and dealing. if i wanted a very straightforward trem i would've gone for a semaphore too but i'm always seduced by bells and/or whistles. Actually, not yet. I don't want to overwhelm my wife with too much {censored} coming at once or anything. I've got a Valvetech Hayseed coming in and I think I'll have some 'splaining to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco Play a couple licks on my Balls Amp, will ya? Jesus, I just my sig my own quote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members POGphile Posted June 27, 2006 Members Share Posted June 27, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco Play a couple licks on my Balls Amp, will ya? Sorry Bud, but I don't swing that way. But good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuyaGuy Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by papa taco I don't want to overwhelm my wife with too much {censored} coming at once or anything. you two DO like playing dirty, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chu2 Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by SoulSerenade I've always loved these descriptions by dot.. The MonkeyFX Guides Hey thanks. That really helped. And thanks to everyone else, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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