Members ishoulddie Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 i just bought myself a new pedal board last week (SKB PS-45), and want to begin replacing my cables with better stuff. Most likely Canare GS-6 or possibly Sommer Spirit. Currently, the cables on my board are a mish-mash of cheapo plastic 6" patch cables, and a couple of OK quality 3-footers. The cables from my guitar to the board and the board to my amp were a couple of DiMaarzio 10-footers. But, i lost one of them, so now the board-to-amp cable is a generic 10-footer. And now the DiMarzio i still have seems like it's starting to crap out on me. So, my question is, what would be a better choice to replace first: The cables on the board, or the long-run cables? Which would my sound benefit more from? Also, if i got a higher quality cable for the long runs, would the benefits be cancelled out by lesser-quality patches on the board? Sorry this is so long-winded (and possibly confusing). But, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evilbuttmuncher Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 your long cables... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sense_of_henry Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by evilbuttmuncher your long cables... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members usa83strat Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 in the mean time, use your best long cable , to plg from guitar int to first pedal, i find i lose a lot less top end this way. i have a monster cable standard 100, i used to go from las pedal to amp, i pulled th4e monster cable and plugged from the guitar to the first pedal and used my live wire cable from last pedal to amp, and a lot of hte sparkle from my strat came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fernmeister Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by evilbuttmuncher your long cables... +2 tone loss is related to cable length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ishoulddie Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by fernmeister +2tone loss is related to cable length. Are you saying i should use shorter cables? i might be able to get away with using, say, a 6-footer for my guitar to the board, but i generally need about a 10-footer for the board to the amp. i do play out live, so having long enough cables is definitely an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members usa83strat Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 get a pedal with a good buffer, some thing like the Zvex SHO or the CatalinBread Super chily picoso. this should avaoid any Pickup loading and help "push" the signal with minimal tone loss, and you can still use the longer cables. good quality cables are made so as to keep capacitance low so there is very lil tone (read: high end sparkle) loss. But a good buffer in front of the chain will help. i use a DoD bi-fet preamp and really has improved overall tone even when it is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ishoulddie Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 The first pedal in my chain is a Boss NS-2, followed by an SD-1, both of which which i pretty much always keep on. i know some people like the Boss buffers, depending on the pedal. Although, i've been considering getting a stand-alone buffer (like the Axess BS2), to see if that helps any. Thanks for all of your responses so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evilbuttmuncher Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 wouldnt the NS-2 need to go at the end of the pedal chain? so it can supress all the noises from the pedal prior to it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ishoulddie Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by evilbuttmuncher wouldnt the NS-2 need to go at the end of the pedal chain? so it can supress all the noises from the pedal prior to it..? All of the other pedals in my chain are running through the loop of the NS-2, so that takes care of any extra noise from the other pedals. So, in a way, it's the first and last pedal in my chain. i mainly bought it to suppress feedback from my guitar, anyways, so that's the main reason i have it first. My chain: Guitar (Gibson SG) -> Boss NS-2 -> Boss SD-1 -> DigiTech Whammy -> DOD Gonkulator (the only pedal i really have any noise issues with) -> Boss PH-1R -> back to the NS-2 -> amp (Mesa Dual Rectifier). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fernmeister Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by ishoulddie Are you saying i should use shorter cables? i might be able to get away with using, say, a 6-footer for my guitar to the board, but i generally need about a 10-footer for the board to the amp. i do play out live, so having long enough cables is definitely an issue. change the longest cables first. use the shortest you can, but you need room to move. keep the cables on your board as short as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Esperanto Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by ishoulddie All of the other pedals in my chain are running through the loop of the NS-2, so that takes care of any extra noise from the other pedals. So, in a way, it's the first and last pedal in my chain. i mainly bought it to suppress feedback from my guitar, anyways, so that's the main reason i have it first.My chain:Guitar (Gibson SG) -> Boss NS-2 -> Boss SD-1 -> DigiTech Whammy -> DOD Gonkulator (the only pedal i really have any noise issues with) -> Boss PH-1R -> back to the NS-2 -> amp (Mesa Dual Rectifier). best thing I ever bought in my life...16 years of playing and I finally got my pedalboard to sound good was a simple looping system http://www.loop-master.com/catalog/index.php You'd be surprised what a difference isolating each pedal can make...True bypass pedals don't matter anymore...Often you can get rid of buffers and noise suppressors...and you can often get away with cheaper cables in the loops as long as you've got good LONG cables between your guitar and amp Think about it...Man I love my loopers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dot-dot-dot Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 As has been said, do the long cables first. A short crap cable will do less "damage" than a long crap one. The guitar to pedalboard cable is the most critical, especially as you have buffered pedals at the beginning of the chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted June 28, 2006 Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Get rid of the cable shaped like a DOD Gonkulator first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ishoulddie Posted June 28, 2006 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2006 Originally posted by endo23 Get rid of the cable shaped like a DOD Gonkulator first. Ha ha! Yeah, it is pretty crappy. i'm addicted to the ring mod, though, so until i can afford a better one, it stays.As for the looping system Esperanto suggested, i've definitely thought about one of those as well. Right now, though, it's all a matter of $$$. One step at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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