Members elctmist Posted July 3, 2006 Members Share Posted July 3, 2006 Originally posted by RoboPimp here's problem with that. That "smooth fender" sound is the sound of the 6V6 tubes being pushed to the limit and compressing, the tube rectifier sagging, the output transformer saturating. It's a combination of all those things together that give that deluxe it's tone. You're not gunna get the same sound with a bigger amp with more headroom. Trut. Have you considered mic'ing the amp? Or, you could just turn the guitar down a bit if you're the edge of breakup. Old skool I know but its worked for people for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted July 3, 2006 Members Share Posted July 3, 2006 depends how hard he's slamming it with pedals. A more powerful signal into the amp will result in earlier break up. Not completely saturated but plenty of magic happening. I agree that if he needs to have a louder amp the vibrolux, pro reverb or bandmaster is the next step up but 6V6s have a lot more squish than 6L6s to my ears. Originally posted by Wilbo26 A deluxe isnt exactly saturating on 3 I don't think...I think a Vibrolux would be perfect, can't imagine getting much closer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (((echo))) Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 i just want to thank everyone here for making my amp decision easy.. i loved that sfdr but never had a chance to use it live, worried it wouldn't have enough headroom. i also loved the vibrolux custom i briefly had which i know cuts through pretty well and have heard great things about the sf version i've always wanted to run a stereo rig for panning and delay.. along with having a wider sound decision: i'm going to buy a sfdr and a sf vibrolux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by elctmist Jeez, a SFDR is too quiet! What kind of clubs are you people playing at? The kind that have mics and PAs... Is this uncommon? Because I hear this a lot on the forum-- "such and such isn't enough watts"-- but I've never played a club in Los Angeles that didn't mic the guitar amps anyway. I set my Blackbird at 10 o'clock, where it's just barely starting to add grind, then use pedals to push it. Simple enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wyatt Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by (((echo))) i also loved the vibrolux custom i briefly had which i know cuts through pretty well and have heard great things about the sf version Vibrolux Custom and the BF/SF Vibrolux Reverb are too different beasts. The Vibrolux Custom started as the Vibroverb RI, but when the name changed, they made a lot of circuit changes. These included changing the preamp for a lot less headroom and more aggresive tone. A SF Vibrolux Reverb will have more headroom, and more of the honky-tonk Fender sparkle and spank to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (((echo))) Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by Wyatt Vibrolux Custom and the BF/SF Vibrolux Reverb are too different beasts.The Vibrolux Custom started as the Vibroverb RI, but when the name changed, they made a lot of circuit changes. These included changing the preamp for a lot less headroom and more aggresive tone.A SF Vibrolux Reverb will have more headroom, and more of the honky-tonk Fender sparkle and spank to it. thanks, that's fine with me.. it's more about the 210's and higher headroom, i think that would compliment a deluxe reverb pretty well. the vibrolux with it's higher headroom and slightly different flavor would also be great for other uses rather than having two of the same amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iodine74 Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Olle.. why not get Rob to build you a VAC? I think those are rated at 22 watts? He might be able to make the clean channel abit more black or silverfaced than tweedy? That's actually something I've been wondering about myself. I've got a 82/83 Pro Reverb (black-face cosmetics, MV + higher wattage like the silver faces) and it does the Fender clean thing well, if not a hair cold... but I've always craved an AC30 and have been debating getting Rob to build me a Hayseed... thinking maybe he'd cut me a deal if I bought both a Hayseed and a VAC, because I (like you) don't want to not have that Fendery Clean. And with the VAC, I'd also get a good semi-Marshally dirty channel (which obviously the Pro Reverb doesn't give me). So between those two amps I should be able to get all the amp sounds I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by endo23 The kind that have mics and PAs...Is this uncommon? Because I hear this a lot on the forum-- "such and such isn't enough watts"-- but I've never played a club in Los Angeles that didn't mic the guitar amps anyway.I set my Blackbird at 10 o'clock, where it's just barely starting to add grind, then use pedals to push it. Simple enough. It might be a big city thing. Thats certainly my experience of London & NYC. It's very rare I see anyone with anything much bigger than a SFDR. My friend has a Super Reverb and he never gets it above 2-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (((echo))) Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 definitely not just a big city issue.. i've played maybe 50-60 shows in this area over the years and can only remember a handful of times i wasn't mic'd and those were probably by choice and/or non pa things at corner bars and bowling alleys early on.. even then i never had any of my amps anywhere near overdriven. i'm just always worried about having enough headroom but the only lower wattage amp i've tried in a band setting was a blues junior so i probably haven't given them a fair shot. i know this.. twins and ac30's sound amazing but not so much at low levels which is how i play them 95% of the time. i guess it's time for me to move on to lower wattage amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members endo23 Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 i know this.. twins and ac30's sound amazing but not so much at low levels which is how i play them 95% of the time. i guess it's time for me to move on to lower wattage amps Definitely try it out. I made the move about a year ago and haven't looked back since. The sound and feel of a "pushed" amp is something you cannot duplicate with pedals or even describe in words. It's a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skipstar59 Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by (((echo))) it's time for me to move on to lower wattage amps I finally made the move to a small Fender amp. I had my amp guy take a 70' Princeton Reverb chassis and build a little more powerful amp. He put in a Deluxe OT, 12" Eminence Governor,and installed the Torres gain stage mod. Now, the amp puts out about 18 loud watts. It's actuallly louder and cleaner than my 72'(65' Blackface modded) Deluxe Reverb. I've used it in every club we play at, and several concerts we've done with no volume issues. It's my main gigging amp. Here's the rest of the bunch that doesn't see much action now that I use my 70' PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members elctmist Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Cool I would love to find a trashed up Princeton to do this. It would make travelling on the subway a breeze. Originally posted by skipstar59 I finally made the move to a small Fender amp. I had my amp guy take a 70' Princeton Reverb chassis and build a little more powerful amp. He put in a Deluxe OT, 12" Eminence Governor,and installed the Torres gain stage mod. Now, the amp puts out about 18 loud watts. It's actuallly louder and cleaner than my 72'(65' Blackface modded) Deluxe Reverb. I've used it in every club we play at, and several concerts we've done with no volume issues. It's my main gigging amp. Here's the rest of the bunch that doesn't see much action now that I use my 70' PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (((echo))) Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 nice looking amp and what a collection!!! yeah i'm going to give it a shot, it's worth trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilbo26 Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Originally posted by skipstar59 I finally made the move to a small Fender amp. I had my amp guy take a 70' Princeton Reverb chassis and build a little more powerful amp. He put in a Deluxe OT, 12" Eminence Governor,and installed the Torres gain stage mod. Now, the amp puts out about 18 loud watts. It's actuallly louder and cleaner than my 72'(65' Blackface modded) Deluxe Reverb. I've used it in every club we play at, and several concerts we've done with no volume issues. It's my main gigging amp. Here's the rest of the bunch that doesn't see much action now that I use my 70' PR. Good god I would never leave my room with that many amps to play with. Nice collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted July 4, 2006 Members Share Posted July 4, 2006 Fargen Blackbird for sure. It has 20 watt (2x6v6), 30 watt (4x6v6), 40 watt (2x6L6) and 80 watt (4x6L6) versions. You might like a Dr Z Z28 too. I had one and may try to get one again (combo this time though). It's been described as a brown tolex deluxe with stronger bottom end. Different tone than the blackface or silverface you seek though. taco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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