Members ZeroFiveFour Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 What is everyone using to achieve this sound? The classic, "where the streets have no name", sound. Are you using rack based, pedal based, or a combo of the two? The only delay I have currently is the Roctron intellifex. Im considering getting a floorbased delay, Birthday is coming up Any recommendations are welcome. 054:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wilbo26 Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 I can get that type of sound with the Deluxe Memory Man by itself, or you can set any analog delay for a really short time, and put a digital delay after it with longer repeats. There are a ton of websites talking about Edge and his delays, I'm sure somebody around here can point them out, or you can do a search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stompboxx Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 I think these days he has 2 TC Electronics 2290 rack units. I think Line 6 also custom built a delay rack unit for him. I'm sure there are some U2 experts floating around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ZeroFiveFour Posted July 9, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 FWIW, I did some programming on the intellifex after posting this and found something I hadnt' tried in the almost 10 years I've owned the unit. Seems to get a decent Edge'esque' sound. Selecting 'Two Tap delay' under the Parameter Config(Hush/Delay/Ducker) is pretty cool. NOTE: Ducker is OFF Heres the info for those interested. Parameter Select:(Hush/Delay/Ducker) Delay Setting: (Two Tap delay) Delay Speeds Delay 1 : 530 Delay 2 : 330 Not bad for a close enough type of sound on my decade old Intellifex. Add some Keeley Comp, MXR phase and abit of Fulltone OCD on (Low Gain setting), and we are in some cool sounding Edge territory. 054... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members purefender07 Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 DMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 "Streets" is most definitely the TC-2290, but just about any good digital delay will get you there. Set it for about 365 ms, give or take. It's best to use a digital delay and increase the number of repeats on it...an analog delay like the DMM will get too muddy for a song like this. You need pristine repeats for the song to work. Also, it really helps to have a compressor to even out the dynamics. Edge was using a block logo Dyna Comp when this was recorded, but uses a Boss CS-2 these days. There's a lot of debate about whether or not Edge uses dual delays for this song, but that's something you can play around with if you've got two delays. Set the second delay for about 365 ms with 4 or 5 repeats and set the first delay for either a slapback or an eighth note delay time. Only use one repeat on that first shorter delay because the second delay will take care of filling everything in. Anyway, I do fine with just cranking up the repeats on a digital delay. Korg SDD-2000 sounds great for this. I've also used a Roland SDE-1000 (both rack delays). I've been thinking about a TC D2 delay, though. The 2290 is just too much delay for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 Edge also keeps a Korg SDD-3000 in his rig to this day. It's an amazing delay, probably used for "Streets" more than once. However, I'm not sure it's worth the current prices they're going for. It has an amazing +4 dB preamp that warms thye overall tone and boosts Edge's AC-30s a bit for some slight grit, but you can get the "Streets" sound without it. Oh, and I'll pre-emptively say that I disagree with that amnesta site that someone will no doubt post here shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therhodeo Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 You can use an echo park and set it to the dotted 8th note delay and tap in quarter notes and it sounds really good for Streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheVoices Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 did he say he uses two delay times usually?, one like 300 ms and then another on top of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therhodeo Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 From what I've read theres like 3 to 4 different delays on some stuff. 1 so short its almost reverbish, another at like 50ms thats supposedly room echo between mics, then the 2 longer delays.Check this out. http://www.amnesta.net/edge_delay/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AnalogJunkie Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 Originally posted by ZeroFiveFour What is everyone using to achieve this sound? The classic, "where the streets have no name", sound. Are you using rack based, pedal based, or a combo of the two? The only delay I have currently is the Roctron intellifex. Im considering getting a floorbased delay, Birthday is coming up Any recommendations are welcome. 054:thu: ask brian eno!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fusionid Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 I play streets with a DD-20 but Im using modulated delays. The fill in more. I think Mr. Sage is right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TrashFace Posted July 9, 2006 Members Share Posted July 9, 2006 I found the smooth setting on the dd20 to work well. it has a short delay almost reverb like combined with whatever you set it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 10, 2006 Members Share Posted July 10, 2006 Originally posted by Junkhead did he say he uses two delay times usually?, one like 300 ms and then another on top of that? There are probably some songs where he's using stereo delays. "Streets" has caused a lot of debate amongst Edge-philes. You can get a great sound using a single digital delay by simply turning up the number of repeats, but you can also get some interesting sounds with two delays. As I said before, I'd use an eighth-note first (one repeat) along with a dotted-eighth (4+ repeats). The slapback just doesn't sound right to me, but I'm sure you can play with it and pull something off. "Streets" probably doesn't have as much modulation on it as, say, "Bad" or other 80s-U2 songs. You're fine not using any modulation on it, but I'd definitely recommend using a compressor. That'll especially help the transition between the intro and the strumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 10, 2006 Members Share Posted July 10, 2006 Originally posted by MrSage Oh, and I'll pre-emptively say that I disagree with that amnesta site that someone will no doubt post here shortly. Originally posted by therhodeo From what I've read theres like 3 to 4 different delays on some stuff. 1 so short its almost reverbish, another at like 50ms thats supposedly room echo between mics, then the 2 longer delays.Check this out. http://www.amnesta.net/edge_delay/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by MrSage Also, it really helps to have a compressor to even out the dynamics. Edge was using a block logo Dyna Comp when this was recorded, but uses a Boss CS-2 these days. This is the one. Good price so far...ending soon. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190003838752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeverist Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 I was under the impression he used his Korg SDD-3000 pretty much exclusively in the studio at that point, and used the TC's for live use because of their switching capabilities. He has mentioned that the SDD-3000 is his "desert island" delay. BTW, the D2 is great, you won't be disappointed! Other than not having the external effects switching capability I don't really see how it is "less" of a delay than the 2290. Originally posted by MrSage "Streets" is most definitely the TC-2290, but just about any good digital delay will get you there. Set it for about 365 ms, give or take.It's best to use a digital delay and increase the number of repeats on it...an analog delay like the DMM will get too muddy for a song like this. You need pristine repeats for the song to work.Also, it really helps to have a compressor to even out the dynamics. Edge was using a block logo Dyna Comp when this was recorded, but uses a Boss CS-2 these days.There's a lot of debate about whether or not Edge uses dual delays for this song, but that's something you can play around with if you've got two delays. Set the second delay for about 365 ms with 4 or 5 repeats and set the first delay for either a slapback or an eighth note delay time. Only use one repeat on that first shorter delay because the second delay will take care of filling everything in.Anyway, I do fine with just cranking up the repeats on a digital delay. Korg SDD-2000 sounds great for this. I've also used a Roland SDE-1000 (both rack delays). I've been thinking about a TC D2 delay, though. The 2290 is just too much delay for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by jeverist I was under the impression he used his Korg SDD-3000 pretty much exclusively in the studio at that point, and used the TC's for live use because of their switching capabilities. Nope...he had two SDD-3000s in his rig when I saw them this last tour. He also had two 2290s, though!! He loves that preamp, and I think he probably leaves that engaged for a lot of his songs just because it warms the sound so much. The delays themselves may come from the 2290, but I'm pretty sure the 3000s are used in bypass mode with the +4dB boost engaged. He definitely uses them for studio work. Probably still uses the DMM for some studio work, too! It's just to0 muddy for live use, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therhodeo Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by MrSage Oh, and I'll pre-emptively say that I disagree with that amnesta site that someone will no doubt post here shortly. I guess I should read a little closer before I post a link. Just curious though why do you disagree. Im not challenging your opinion just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by therhodeo I guess I should read a little closer before I post a link. Just curious though why do you disagree. Im not challenging your opinion just curious. No problem. I knew someone would post it...it's amazing how quickly that site has spread around the net! His theories have been highly debated by Edge-philes...I think one reason I tend to disagree with it is that he bases a lot of his opinions on sound samples that don't really sound like anything. Another reason is that he's flat out playing some of the riffs incorrectly. If you play them incorrectly and get something that almost sounds right, then your delay settings (and entire theory) are wrong. He loves the two-delay idea. Edge certainly has multiples of every delay in his rack, and may use them in series at some times...but I think it's more likely that he uses two outputs with slightly different delay times (e.g., splits his signal and does stereo delays). Regardless, you can get 95% of the way there with a single delay and the right technique. The site is interesting to read, but some of his stuff is off base. (although to be fair, I haven't read it in a while...he may have updated it since I first visited) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeverist Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 I know he uses the 3000's live, I was questioning whether he used the TC 2290's in the studio. Originally posted by MrSage Nope...he had two SDD-3000s in his rig when I saw them this last tour. He also had two 2290s, though!!He loves that preamp, and I think he probably leaves that engaged for a lot of his songs just because it warms the sound so much. The delays themselves may come from the 2290, but I'm pretty sure the 3000s are used in bypass mode with the +4dB boost engaged.He definitely uses them for studio work. Probably still uses the DMM for some studio work, too! It's just to0 muddy for live use, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members therhodeo Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Cool. It was the first site I come across when I started learning how to play U2 songs. But I've found the same thing that you can use a single delay pedal and it will sound almost as good. I just went to the site and listend to some of his samples without delay and you're right they're nowhere near what Edge played. I apologize to all those I lead astray with my careless linking. Thank you MrSage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by jeverist I know he uses the 3000's live, I was questioning whether he used the TC 2290's in the studio. Ahh... Good question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeverist Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 I'm pretty skeptical of his settings as well. I tried a couple songs with his settings and the delay times he used didn't sound right at all. Originally posted by MrSage No problem. I knew someone would post it...it's amazing how quickly that site has spread around the net! His theories have been highly debated by Edge-philes...I think one reason I tend to disagree with it is that he bases a lot of his opinions on sound samples that don't really sound like anything. Another reason is that he's flat out playing some of the riffs incorrectly. If you play them incorrectly and get something that almost sounds right, then your delay settings (and entire theory) are wrong. He loves the two-delay idea. Edge certainly has multiples of every delay in his rack, and may use them in series at some times...but I think it's more likely that he uses two outputs with slightly different delay times (e.g., splits his signal and does stereo delays). Regardless, you can get 95% of the way there with a single delay and the right technique. The site is interesting to read, but some of his stuff is off base. (although to be fair, I haven't read it in a while...he may have updated it since I first visited) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrSage Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by therhodeo Cool. It was the first site I come across when I started learning how to play U2 songs. But I've found the same thing that you can use a single delay pedal and it will sound almost as good. I just went to the site and listend to some of his samples without delay and you're right they're nowhere near what Edge played. I apologize to all those I lead astray with my careless linking. Thank you MrSage. Haha, no problem. It's out there, and it's definitely food for thought. I've found that delay/no delay clips help a lot more. These were recorded a while back by the moderator at the U2-recording Yahoo group (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/U2_recording/ ) Streets:http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=9D113D577DFE2D6A Bad:http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A0F966B325097E5Ehttp://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=AB42C3A616487CFE Still:http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=86ED1BC373A93AFD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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