Members gibsgstd1999 Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 I have heard that a Boss DS-1 is a vital component of the Satch lead tone...how true is this, and how many other pieces of gear really factor into this? I have an Ibanez with a Breed in the Bridge, and a Jackson with a JB. If I combined either of these with a DS-1, going into my Classic 30 (and maybe some delay and eq), would I come anything close? Was the DS-1 being used more as a boost for the amp's distortion, or does most of the distortion come from the pedal? I am not dying to sound like Joe or anything. I am just curious.... P.S. I know that he uses a signature Peavey amp nowadays, but as far as the old stuff goes (Satch Boogie, etc), how important is the DS-1 to his sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TweedBassman Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 pretty sure his ds-1 is a keeley mod ds-1, which is nothing like a stock one my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Televator Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 I nailed it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gibsgstd1999 Posted December 19, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by TweedBassman pretty sure his ds-1 is a keeley mod ds-1, which is nothing like a stock one my friend. So Keeley was modding Joe's pedals back in 1987? Wow. Hmmm...interesting. I thought I heard that they were just the original Japanese made ones. Are you sure about the Keeley thing? I'm going to have to do some research.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by gibsgstd1999 So Keeley was modding Joe's pedals back in 1987?.... no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TweedBassman Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 my bad, it's the other dude who uses a ds-1 and goes "beedle-y beedle-y beedle-y beeeee" you know. the other dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gibsgstd1999 Posted December 19, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Oh right....that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by TweedBassman my bad, it's the other dude who uses a ds-1 and goes "beedle-y beedle-y beedle-y beeeee" you know. the other dude. which one, of the millions that fit that description, were using keeley-modded ds-1 stomps in 1987? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members eman Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 according to Keeley's site....he made a few modded ds-1's for Vai....and I think Vai gave one to Joe to "check out". From what I know....Joe did (and still does) use a stock ds-1 into the clean channel of a variety of amps.......I know also that he's used the distortion channel of his new peavey amps.....however I think lately he's back to stock ds-1 into the clean channel. A real key to Joe's signature sound in chorus....probably too think for some.....he also uses the wah a lot more than people think.....often in a fixed position..... multiple delay's as well to get a "big" sound and of course his phrasing and technical fretting (and muting) skills are outstanding..... fairly high output passive humbuckers...... keep in mind that Joe lists Hendrix as the guitar player he sought to emulate the most.....hence his use of the wah...... hope that helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TweedBassman Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by L6Sguy which one, of the millions that fit that description, were using keeley-modded ds-1 stomps in 1987? ok hey guess what. you're right. that's what you want to hear right? YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gibsgstd1999 Posted December 19, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by eman according to Keeley's site....he made a few modded ds-1's for Vai....and I think Vai gave one to Joe to "check out".From what I know....Joe did (and still does) use a stock ds-1 into the clean channel of a variety of amps.......I know also that he's used the distortion channel of his new peavey amps.....however I think lately he's back to stock ds-1 into the clean channel.A real key to Joe's signature sound in chorus....probably too think for some.....he also uses the wah a lot more than people think.....often in a fixed position.....multiple delay's as well to get a "big" sound and of course his phrasing and technical fretting (and muting) skills are outstanding.....fairly high output passive humbuckers......keep in mind that Joe lists Hendrix as the guitar player he sought to emulate the most.....hence his use of the wah......hope that helps... The Wah thing is a good point- I am sure that has a lot to do with how midrangey and vocal he sounds. Thanks for mentioning that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by TweedBassman ok hey guess what. you're right. that's what you want to hear right? what i wanna hear is who was using keeley-modded ds-1 stomps in 1987. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jaymeister Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by L6Sguy what i wanna hear is who was using keeley-modded ds-1 stomps in 1987. I was...I had his Tears for Fears mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TweedBassman Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by L6Sguy "last word." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted December 19, 2006 Members Share Posted December 19, 2006 Originally posted by Jaymeister I was...I had his Tears for Fears mod i opted for the earlier, grittier-sounding Cameo mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heineken Posted December 20, 2006 Members Share Posted December 20, 2006 Satch used and still uses a Jap DS-1. Though it does sound better then the Taiwanese DS-1's it's still much too "brittle" to my ears so mine is collecting dust. I'd like to know too what's Satch and Vai's secret for getting such a big crunch out of that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gibsgstd1999 Posted December 20, 2006 Author Members Share Posted December 20, 2006 Originally posted by Heineken Satch used and still uses a Jap DS-1. Though it does sound better then the Taiwanese DS-1's it's still much too "brittle" to my ears so mine is collecting dust. I'd like to know too what's Satch and Vai's secret for getting such a big crunch out of that thing. I am guessing that they both use massive amounts of equalization... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EL KABONG Posted December 20, 2006 Members Share Posted December 20, 2006 Joe used a ds1, boss eq, rockman sustainor preamp, digitech dsp 128 marshall jcm800 on the surfing tour and cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluehuricane Posted December 20, 2006 Members Share Posted December 20, 2006 get damned good with a whammy bar if you wanna sound anything like satch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spar Posted February 27, 2007 Members Share Posted February 27, 2007 On the album "Surfing with the Alien" he used Rockman modules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vigor&kandor Posted February 27, 2007 Members Share Posted February 27, 2007 Satch used and still uses a Jap DS-1. Though it does sound better then the Taiwanese DS-1's it's still much too "brittle" to my ears so mine is collecting dust. I'd like to know too what's Satch and Vai's secret for getting such a big crunch out of that thing. maybe they are using it to boost an already distorted signal......just maybe...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TZR Posted February 27, 2007 Members Share Posted February 27, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JRBain Posted February 28, 2007 Members Share Posted February 28, 2007 I hear that Joe has switched to Fulltone effects for touring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members angus_old Posted February 28, 2007 Members Share Posted February 28, 2007 his sound is too processed, i don't like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GorillaLover Posted February 28, 2007 Members Share Posted February 28, 2007 I saw him with Malmsteen and Vai once... he had the worst sound out of the three... his tone was processed and squished... the notes had no dynamics.. they just sounded on or off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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