Members ck3 Posted January 4, 2007 Members Share Posted January 4, 2007 Originally posted by autopilot try running both ring mods in parallel (one fixed setting and the other controlled with an exp pedal) Both channels of the GT-8 have to be run through the same FX chain, so this is not possible. I experimented with my original idea and found that the second ring modulator in the chain cancelled out the first one. A single COSM ring mod with an input-triggered frequency sweep is defintiely a component in the sound I have in mind. I also tinkered with the sitar simulator and defretter effects and ended up adding a band pass envelope filter with a shifting center frequency into the fx chain mix. The timbre is still not 100% there, though. I'm still not hearing the bit reduction "explosion" that occurs during extreme frequency shifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted January 4, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 4, 2007 try a comp + phaser (negative feedback) instead of 1 ring mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 4, 2007 Members Share Posted January 4, 2007 Originally posted by autopilot ok, what controls you consider a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 10, 2007 Members Share Posted January 10, 2007 Originally posted by autopilot try a comp + phaser (negative feedback) instead of 1 ring mod I think that I may have misunderstood your post. Was I supposed to place these other two effects in the same chain as a ring modulator?If you decide to build an analog sample rate reducer pedal, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goldie-gold Posted January 10, 2007 Members Share Posted January 10, 2007 OK, I am going to sound like a total dumbass, but what is a bit crusher/what is bit crushing? I am guessing it in someway lowers fidelity in some way. What do they actually do? Is there anywhere I can read up about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted January 11, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 11, 2007 I think that I may have misunderstood your post. Was I supposed to place these other two effects in the same chain as a ring modulator? If you decide to build an analog sample rate reducer pedal, please let me know. Run in parallel A)compressor+phaser (negative feedback) b)Ring modulatorThere are a couple of ideas i'm testing, it'll be a workalike not true bitcrushing, as soon as i can do clips will share it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 Run in parallel A)compressor+phaser (negative feedback) b)Ring modulator Dookie ... again, the GT-8's effects proceesing engine will not allw me to do this ... If anyone is willing to build an analog sample reduction pedal with a blend control and frequency knob for a reasonable price, please PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g3rmanium Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 sounds awesome, i got an idea about one but whats is bugging me is the dual 9v to get the +9v and -9v, that has stopped me to breadboard one Check out DC/DC converters, like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maracox Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 What about this beauty ...http://www.sheepless.karoo.net/pedals_krusha.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 What about this beauty ...http://www.sheepless.karoo.net/pedals_krusha.htm The clips were kind of quiet, but the bitcrushing sounds were nice and coarse. If the builder adds a proper bypass switch, uses a metal enclosure, and does away with the fuzz part of the circuit, I might be interested in a production unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tenine Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 ...or here... short clip...... this isn't guaranteed to happen through us, but hopefully they'll be getting these out in the real world on a regular basis through someone. I'll post something once I found out what's going on.devi- Is that something like a Sample-Rate Reducer with Pulse wave or staircase wave modulating the frequency?I'm not sure if I hear actual bit-crushing as well. Does anybody make a Bit-Crusher? NOT a Sample-Rate Reducer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fearofnightmare Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 I believe that these were the same parameters on the Alesis Ineko, and it provided me with sufficient bit crushing versatility. There is bitcrushing throughout Broken and The Downward Spiral by NIN. The industiral band Das Ich also uses this effect frequently. see: the guitar solo in Ruiner (on the Downward Spiral).About a minute of bit-crushed, octaved, and generally {censored}ed up guitar goodness. Probably my favorite moment on that record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g3rmanium Posted January 15, 2007 Members Share Posted January 15, 2007 Does anybody make a Bit-Crusher? Alesis Bitrman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted January 17, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Analog Sample Rate Reducer - FOR SALE!One interesting effect that very few stompboxes do is sample rate reduction. This effect is common in computer music and VST plugins because it is easy to do on a computer. Sample rate reduction sounds something like ring modulation, but a little more crunchy and much more musical. It is the result of estimating the amplitude of a signal at audible rates. The analog sample rate reducer is the realization of this effect in a completely analog form. The operation is very simple-a true bypass stomp switch turns the effect on and off, and a knob controls the sample rate. If you have always enjoyed the sound of sample rate reduction or are looking for interesting ways to alter your signal, this pedal is the perfect solution. http://experimentalistsanonymous.com/stuff/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slc_dan Posted January 17, 2007 Members Share Posted January 17, 2007 Analog Sample Rate Reducer - FOR SALE!One interesting effect that very few stompboxes do is sample rate reduction. This effect is common in computer music and VST plugins because it is easy to do on a computer. Sample rate reduction sounds something like ring modulation, but a little more crunchy and much more musical. It is the result of estimating the amplitude of a signal at audible rates. The analog sample rate reducer is the realization of this effect in a completely analog form. The operation is very simple-a true bypass stomp switch turns the effect on and off, and a knob controls the sample rate. If you have always enjoyed the sound of sample rate reduction or are looking for interesting ways to alter your signal, this pedal is the perfect solution.http://experimentalistsanonymous.com/stuff/index.html well god damn. Colin really knows his {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 18, 2007 Members Share Posted January 18, 2007 I spoke with Colin about buying that analog sample rate reducer pedal recently. Someone else beat me to the punch, and it was a one-off unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members maracox Posted January 18, 2007 Members Share Posted January 18, 2007 Strange, I mailed to Colin 2 or 3 days ago and the pedal was still for sale. Actually the website says, it's for sale. He added recently some clips but I didn't like it so much ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 18, 2007 Members Share Posted January 18, 2007 Strange, I mailed to Colin 2 or 3 days ago and the pedal was still for sale. Actually the website says, it's for sale. He added recently some clips but I didn't like it so much ...Oooh ... I may have to contact him again in the next few days. He was willing to add a blend knob to the pedal for a nominal fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 Strange, I mailed to Colin 2 or 3 days ago and the pedal was still for sale. Actually the website says, it's for sale. He added recently some clips but I didn't like it so much ...As of a few weeks ago, it's definitely gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zlandicar Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 Not analog, but Digitech makes a few products that do this. My VX400 (a vocal effects box) has bit crushing and Whammy effects in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted January 29, 2007 Members Share Posted January 29, 2007 Not analog, but Digitech makes a few products that do this. My VX400 (a vocal effects box) has bit crushing and Whammy effects in it...Interesting ... I just read the manual for this product. Apparently, it has the Pixellator effect from the XP300 Space Station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted March 1, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 1, 2007 still tweaking, need to redo some things and add some parts, but it's coming, here's a brief clip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted March 1, 2007 Members Share Posted March 1, 2007 still tweaking, need to redo some things and add some parts, but it's coming, here's a brief clip Will it be possible to dial in a bit more static than you have in the clip? Either way, it sounds like a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted March 1, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 1, 2007 I'm working on that and trying to get some intermodulation, need to get some IC's and Q's, by next week a better clip. Also there's a chance that it will use a single 9v, instead of 2 9v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ck3 Posted March 1, 2007 Members Share Posted March 1, 2007 Also there's a chance that it will use a single 9v, instead of 2 9v :phil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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