Members papa taco Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 I was messing around with some of the internal amp models on my roland vs1680 and got some pretty nice tones with running a "plexi" fairly clean in stereo with a "tweed twin." I think a part of it was my guitar signal went through an external tube mic/instrument preamp before hitting the Roland. It wasn't quite as nice as recording an amp, but it was way easier. My fulltone 70 fuzz sounded good through the modelled amp rig too. I'm now considering getting a better quality modeller like a Vox tonelab. I had a POD 2.0 years ago but recording it always presented some weird midrange frequency that occurred on every model in it. I just couldn't dial it out. taco
Members papa taco Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 You fancy pants too good for amp modellers?
Members worldVSvenkman Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 one of the times i was recording with a band i was in i double tracked my parts with a 5150 and a pod. it sounded pretty good.
Members comfortablynumb Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 At home, I've been using a Zoom G2 with "okay" results. I prefer recording with an amp, though.
Members M900 Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 I do session work, and a lot of the guys I played for wanted modellers. the Line 6 stuff was fairly popular, as far as modelling amps go. I hated it though -- I like the lo-fi feel of a real Marshall amp and we wound up with a compromise -- we did a buffered Y split and one signal went to the Marshall I had wth me in the booth, and the other went to the modeller straight to the board, with a condenser in the booth with me. If you are looking for a modelling amp, check out the old (red) spider series. Apparently, the old ones ran the same CPU as the more expensive lines and you can get them cheap. The models are limited (5 or six amp types, with only 3 or 4 being useable) and the effects are too limited, but for about $200 bones... c
Members MrMunky Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 Amp modelers are excellent for recording. Real amps have more potential for a number of applications, but the equipment and expertise necessary to exploit it beyond what you can get from a modeler is expensive and hard to come by. It's far from "studio" quality, but everything here was recorded direct with amp modelers.
Members papa taco Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 I don't know if I'd use a modeller for ALL guitar tracks, but I could see myself using them here and there for something different but complimentary to my hayseed or my blue angel. And they are so quick to set up and go if I have an idea that will escape me by the time I get a mic properly positioned etc etc. I tried a Tonelab and POD XT back to back a year or so back (through headphones) and was very impressed with the Tonelab. The POD sounded nice and I thought it sounded better than my old 2.0 but then I tried the Tonelab and it was like holy crap...this sounds a LOT nicer than the POD. For what I was looking for anyway, which is clean to medium gain. For high gain, I prefer a fuzz pedal.
Phil O'Keefe Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Occasionally. I generally prefer a real tube amp, in a real room, mic'ed up with real microphones... but I do have a few modellers and amp sim plug-ins (Pod XT is probably my favorite) and they are useful sometimes for additional "colors" and layers. Of course, they also come in handy for vocals and drums too...
Members Non de Guerre Posted January 22, 2007 Members Posted January 22, 2007 I think they're nice for doubling parts as they don't seem to match the frequency response of a real amp at all and therefore don't muddle things up too much when used sparingly.
Members papa taco Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 Occasionally. I generally prefer a real tube amp, in a real room, mic'ed up with real microphones... but I do have a few modellers and amp sim plug-ins (Pod XT is probably my favorite) and they are useful sometimes for additional "colors" and layers. Of course, they also come in handy for vocals and drums too... Have you ever tried the tonelab?
Phil O'Keefe Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Have you ever tried the tonelab? Yes sir... and it's possibly even better than the L6... Sorry for any confusion - I was referring to my favorite modeller that I personally own. But I do like the Pod XT too.
Members papa taco Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Posted January 22, 2007 Yes sir... and it's possibly even better than the L6... Sorry for any confusion - I was referring to my favorite modeller that I personally own. But I do like the Pod XT too. Thanks. Another question. But first, are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Well I have.
Members Karma1 Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 I've been doing a recording project using my Zoom G9.2tt direct into ProTools and have been very happy with the results. About a week ago I bought an M-Audio Black Box. I mostly got it for the arpeggiator and beat-synched effects, but I'm looking forward to trying out the amp models for recording.I've heard good things about them.
Members gr8fuldodd Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 I thought the tonelab was very coolI just couldn't afford to keep it I hadn't had a lot of exerience with amp modellors though
Members KEB Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 I have a POD XT, but I prefer using my SansAmp GT2: quicker to dial in a tone and sounds more organic. In fact the POD will probably be for sale soon...
Members StratStevo Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 I have been playing guitar since 1971, and if I had to sell all my amps but one, this would be the last amp standing...
Members M900 Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 Occasionally. I generally prefer a real tube amp, in a real room, mic'ed up with real microphones... but I do have a few modellers and amp sim plug-ins (Pod XT is probably my favorite) and they are useful sometimes for additional "colors" and layers. Of course, they also come in handy for vocals and drums too... Hey Phil, is that the trend in the studios in your area, or are you in the minority as far as amp use goes? The majority of studios I've worked in (South East, US) seem to prefer modellers, though it may have been because the producers requested modellers. I personally hate modellers (well, maybe hate is too strong, but...) though I'm willing to use whatever they put in front of me. To me, guitar music seem to sterile out of a modeller -- I want the uncertainty of a tube amp and the happy accidents we often get with mic placement. c
Members CapnMarvel Posted January 23, 2007 Members Posted January 23, 2007 As for a beginning recording idiot like myself, it's easier for me to get a good tone using an amp, mics, and a preamp than it is trying to go direct with my POD XT. There are some nice things the POD does better (bass comes to mind), but in general I get closer to a sound I can be proud of doing it the old fashioned way. It's hella more expensive, though...
Members HKSblade1 Posted January 24, 2007 Members Posted January 24, 2007 Utopia works well. The mic and cab modeling are primo!
Members whitepapagold Posted January 24, 2007 Members Posted January 24, 2007 I second on vox, synths, drums but rarely on guitars as an actual sim.
Members threm Posted January 24, 2007 Members Posted January 24, 2007 There`s a long extensive post/thread bout modelling amps here, maybe motsly for live use rather than recording. My approach to a modeling rig and making it work (long) http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=204896 There`s some talk of the Radial Dragster giving life back to direct recording http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-dragster.htm
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