Members blackjack davey Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I currently have a Phase 90 on my board and have previously had a Small Stone but Phase seems to be really limited and strong for me so I have been looking into Tremolos. My question to you, is which of these effects is more useful and able to cover a wider range of standard Modulation tones, the Phaser or the Tremolo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TZR Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 what kind of music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members inscho Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 well with the right phaser you can use it for multiple effects.but I generally find tremolo more useful...you can add a little shimmer, you can do vintage throb, or hard choppy square wave...and with the right tremolo you can get ring mod sounds out of it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jimmyc84 Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 neither is "better". tremolo may be able to fit into more situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CapnMarvel Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I think I'd do better with just phase if I had to pick between the two, but damn...I'm glad I live in 'Merica and don't have to worry about such awful things. Trem is more rootsy and funky, and to me, is essential for texturing up noise interludes. Phaser is 'prettier' and more psychedelic, but can be set subtle enough to simply make your tone sound gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PFDarkside Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 To me a phase 90 is more overbearing than a Small Stone, but both are more subtle in front of gain than after or in the loop. Depending on the options on the trem (wave shape and offset, depth, volume) you can get a wide variety of tones. I think I like phase better but trem is nice. Also, if you find a phaser with blend or a bypass loop with a blend control it might be more useful for you. The combo of phased tone and straight tone is cool, the movement of the phase but the tone stays strong because of the straight tone.I hope that makes sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uma Floresta Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 Trem is more useful I think. Always tasteful. Phase can be cool or craptastic, depending, but I've never heard a trem in a song I didn't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Phaser ..but Since I Got A Pentavocal Ive Been Using A Lot More Trem............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members english_bob Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 It's not really comparing apples to apples. If I was a reggae or funk guitarist, I wouldn't even look twice at tremolo pedals. If I played country I wouldn't touch a phaser with a {censored}ty stick. If you know that phaser's not for you, try a tremolo. Couldn't hurt, might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mad Max Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I've always preferred Tremolo, but that's just a preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fernmeister Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 i use a trem more often, but a phase is more versatile and will find a home in a wider range of styles and songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tweeker50 Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 Trem doesn't change my basic tone because it's modulating amplitude. Phase colors things no matter what and that makes it less versatile for me. If you like the basic tones of the Small Stone, there are subtler units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackjack davey Posted February 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I guess I should have noted that I really only play alternative/garage rock ala Foo Fighters, Pumpkins, and the White Stripes and occasionally try my hand at Rockabilly. I'm looking for something that can do Chorus (Nirvana kind of warbles), Rockabilly, and other types of modulation found in newer music. I don't know if any of this will help your overall comments but please keep 'em coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mad Max Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I guess I should have noted that I really only play alternative/garage rock ala Foo Fighters, Pumpkins, and the White Stripes and occasionally try my hand at Rockabilly.I'm looking for something that can do Chorus (Nirvana kind of warbles), Rockabilly, and other types of modulation found in newer music.I don't know if any of this will help your overall comments but please keep 'em coming. Well for Nirvana warble all you need is the Small Clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 move your phaser to the beginning of you signal chain, or closer to the beginning. maybe post-wah, pre-dirt/drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heineken Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I use both but they hardly compare. Phasers sound cool on any setting and tremolo's need to be in real time with your drummer or it will either sound {censored}ty or you'r drummer will punch you after the show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MorePaul Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I'm looking for something that can do Chorus (Nirvana kind of warbles), Rockabilly, and other types of modulation found in newer music. hmm, well that's going to be fairly wide rangingThere is the multiFX routealternatively (not the musical style ), perhaps someone* could recommend a modern delay unit with and LFO that would let you get a number of "modulation" FX(many effects like chorus, flange, vibrato are actually variations on a modulated time delay) and even let you explore the "transition zones" where the effects kind of overlapTrem is going to be the odd-man-out in that sort of unit thoughand you be flanging instead of phasing, but they are decently similar*I don't tend to stay on top of the latest offerings, so I'm not really the guy to ask about the current market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackjack davey Posted February 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I never thought of the move thing. I guess I always assumed (and we all know what that means) that Phase went towards the end of the chain and before Delay. I'll give it a go and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I like phasing better, personally. Nice slow, crunchy phasing is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members doug deeper Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 I use both but they hardly compare. Phasers sound cool on any setting and tremolo's need to be in real time with your drummer or it will either sound {censored}ty or you'r drummer will punch you after the show... ahhhhhh? i think that really depends on what you're using it for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spaceshot Posted February 6, 2007 Members Share Posted February 6, 2007 didn't read any of above but the answer is obviously BOTH! Chopped phase is quite the kingsley of sounds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L6Sguy Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 I never thought of the move thing. I guess I always assumed (and we all know what that means) that Phase went towards the end of the chain and before Delay.I'll give it a go and see what happens. it can be rationalised almost anywhere in the chain, but phase90s and similar types i find work best early in the chain. let us know if it works out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kain500 Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 phase kinda helps me make sure that my melodic lines don't get bigger and bigger. Keeps me from being long winded in my ideas. Probably would be helpful in songwriting in that sense. To me you can kinda just jam forever on Tremolo. Its more rhythmic. That said, I get super giddy when I hear trem on albums, probably has something to do with Link Wray's Rumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zlandicar Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 Tremolo will cover more ground stylistically. It's more fun to use IMO. That said, I am a huge phaser fan. If you find the Phase 90 too strong, you might try modding it to make it more subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members autopilot Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 tremolo all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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