Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 I use some pitchshifting (-1.5) one my vocals (Death Metal) when I record and now I want to do the same thing while playing live and during band practice. What would I need to achive this live? I am assuming I need something for my mic to go into and then into the PA system / mixing board. Any recomendations, comments, questions would be great. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluehuricane Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 for a negative octave, get an octave multiplexer, it's cheap as eff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 for a negative octave, get an octave multiplexer, it's cheap as eff. Is a Negative Octave Multiplixer the same thing as pitch shifting? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluehuricane Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 well, it'd give you an octave below, i thought that's what you were trying to achieve. for death metal, it'll definitely make you sound satanic. digitech has some stuff with more advanced harmonizing and such, i wouldn't look at too many guitar effects pedals though, i think a rack unit would suit you best, i was suggesting the octave mutiplexer as a cheap solution. if you get it off mf, you can send it back if you hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluehuricane Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ElectroHarmonix-Octave-Multiplexer-Pedal?sku=153324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cloudscapes Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 seeing the mic you're using is probably a phantom-powered mic, you'd need to plug it into the mixer, then send/return that channel into a line-level pitch shifter. rack effects are the best but a ps-5 or equivalent just might do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 well, it'd give you an octave below, i thought that's what you were trying to achieve. for death metal, it'll definitely make you sound satanic. digitech has some stuff with more advanced harmonizing and such, i wouldn't look at too many guitar effects pedals though, i think a rack unit would suit you best, i was suggesting the octave mutiplexer as a cheap solution. if you get it off mf, you can send it back if you hate it. Thanks a lot! Just not sure how I would run the XRL mic into the pedal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 seeing the mic you're using is probably a phantom-powered mic, you'd need to plug it into the mixer, then send/return that channel into a line-level pitch shifter. rack effects are the best but a ps-5 or equivalent just might do Do you mean run it into a mixer and then into the Pitch Shirter adn then run it into the PA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluehuricane Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 well, i'm not sure how your mixer works, if you're running just vocals into the mixer, then it's no problem, just put the effect between the mixer and speakers, but if you ahve other stuff in there, anything that goes through it will have the effect. if your mic does not need phantom power, you can get an xlr to 1/4" converter and just plug that into the effect and then into the mixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 well, i'm not sure how your mixer works, if you're running just vocals into the mixer, then it's no problem, just put the effect between the mixer and speakers, but if you ahve other stuff in there, anything that goes through it will have the effect. if your mic does not need phantom power, you can get an xlr to 1/4" converter and just plug that into the effect and then into the mixer I have our drum track runnign through the PA/mixer as well so I would need to get the xrl to 1/4 converter. But....I am not sure if my micsneed phantom power. I looked and can not find anything about that. There is what I got: 2 Behringer XM8500 Microphones: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-XM8500-Microphone?sku=270490 Anyone know if they need phantom power? Also, would the mics at a club need to use phantom power? I would want to be able to do this in practice and live at clubs. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members whowasthursday Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 I have absolutely no idea about any of this. But somehow, I do know that the PS-5 I'm selling would be absolutely perfect for your needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluehuricane Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 well, do you know if your mixer has phantom power? it should say somewhere on it, if it does, turn the phantom power off and plug the mic in, if it still works, it does not need the phantom power and you can jsut do the converter thing, if not... you'll have to figure something else out, maybe a phantom power supply before the mixer? i don't think most live performance mics need phantom power so you're probably fine, but it'd be good to check before buying something. +1 to whowasthursday's offer though, that'd do the job well. try out the ehx octave multiplexer for me though, i want to see how good it is :-d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 I use some pitchshifting (-1.5) one my vocals (Death Metal) when I record and now I want to do the same thing while playing live and during band practice. What would I need to achive this live? I am assuming I need something for my mic to go into and then into the PA system / mixing board. Any recomendations, comments, questions would be great. Thank you. Here ya go: Check out the video http://www.tc-helicon.com/media/Live_VL.mov http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members i51423 Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 seeing the mic you're using is probably a phantom-powered mic Nah, dude. A majority of live mics(including the Behringers this dude is using) are dynamic mics. Dynamic mics DO NOT require phantom power. EDIT: One of these should do it for you. Seems a bit overpriced, though. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-VT1-Voice-Transformer?sku=180193 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cloudscapes Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 Do you mean run it into a mixer and then into the Pitch Shirter adn then run it into the PA? The mixer wouldn't run into the effect. The effect would be in one of the mixer's send/return channels, and then finally the mixer to the PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 Do not use an Octave multiplexor, or any octave effect on your vocals. Octavers only generate square waves, and will track badly on vocals. You'll be lucky if you hear a synth sound when you sing. Get a pitch shifter and set it to -1 octave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 Here ya go: Check out the video http://www.tc-helicon.com/media/Live_VL.movhttp://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive $800 is a bit out of my price range but it looks very cool from what I read about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 Nah, dude. A majority of live mics(including the Behringers this dude is using) are dynamic mics. Dynamic mics DO NOT require phantom power.EDIT: One of these should do it for you. Seems a bit overpriced, though.http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-VT1-Voice-Transformer?sku=180193 This is a bit more than I wanted to pay as well but looks like what I need. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 Get a pitch shifter and set it to -1 octave. Where??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 I am assuming this would work? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-PS5-SUPER-Shifter-Pedal?sku=151330 I could run my mic into my small Behringer mixer and in the FX loop add this and then the outputs on the mixer to the PA. Yes.....No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted March 14, 2007 Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 That sounds about right. That's how I'd do it anyway. Did you want it set to -1 octave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bloodsoaked Posted March 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 14, 2007 That sounds about right. That's how I'd do it anyway. Did you want it set to -1 octave? I want to set it to -1.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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