Members CardioGram Posted April 19, 2007 Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 yup i wasn't arguing, just giving my experience with the Revo. i should have said 'the main thing (for me) is that is still covers'.... im just as happy that it's a 'great new acid instrument' instead of a 'perfect clone' but the OP might not feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted April 19, 2007 Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 No need for clarification. I like anything that can do a squelchy, stretchy sound period. It's funny how something as simplistic as the 303 can be so (seemingly) difficult to emulate exactly. It's also funny that despite the following they have and shortage of supply, people are willing to pay so much for a little cheapy plastic box with fake silver. I'd much rather use a modern clone (if it sounds good/correct depending on the application) or like I mentioned before Bassline. I go to that piece of software for all things 303 that I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OPEN OCEAN Posted April 19, 2007 Members Share Posted April 19, 2007 mixed on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leto Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 No need for clarification. I like anything that can do a squelchy, stretchy sound period. It's funny how something as simplistic as the 303 can be so (seemingly) difficult to emulate exactly. It's also funny that despite the following they have and shortage of supply, people are willing to pay so much for a little cheapy plastic box with fake silver. I'd much rather use a modern clone (if it sounds good/correct depending on the application) or like I mentioned before Bassline. I go to that piece of software for all things 303 that I do. I have a related question. So I've heard good things about Bassline. I dl the demo, opened it up in Ableton live. It looked cool and all, with lots of buttons, but, for the life of me, I couldn't find the darn Play or Start button. Seriously, I looked for like 10 minutes. Can someone confirm for me that this button exists, and perhaps point out its general location. Daryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skunk3 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 For me, the slide function is extremely important. I fell in love with the acid sound from using Rebirth and even though it doesn't sound dead on like a 303, it still programs the same... most of my groovy liquid basslines involved very clever slides. I think the Revolution is probably the way I'd head though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 Its more than just slide. A great acid line can be made just from 1 note with slides, accent, and filter envelope. Its quite crazy how lively a string of 1 note can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 I have a related question. So I've heard good things about Bassline. I dl the demo, opened it up in Ableton live. It looked cool and all, with lots of buttons, but, for the life of me, I couldn't find the darn Play or Start button. Seriously, I looked for like 10 minutes. Can someone confirm for me that this button exists, and perhaps point out its general location. Daryl You have to trigger it from the host. So, open up a piano-roll/grid, loop a measure or four, lay down one big long note on any key, then hit play. Then go into Bassline, click on the host-sync button, and you're set. That's the way I do it anyway. Then you use Bassline's sequencer for the actual loop/sequence you want to play. I usually open four+ instances of it for easy switching. Lazy and brute-force, but I find it simpler to trigger different sequences on different instances (and MIDI channels) than to simply change patterns on Bassline at the right time. The only drawback is that you have to set each of them up the same way first (unless you want the sound to change as well (which is kinda fun.) I have Basslines CCs mapped for automation of knob turning. I don't normally do this, but it's more fun to draw in your knob turns than trying to turn virtual knobs. (I suppose a control surface would be nice.) I always forget that I have one on my CME controller. I usually just use it for straight MIDI note on/off/AT/Vel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 I wonder what makes the TBs slide so different than slides on other synths. The Future Retro XS sounds like it would be good at acid. Not the same, but nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted April 20, 2007 Members Share Posted April 20, 2007 TB-303 = constant time slide [variable rate] Most others = constant rate slide [variable time] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 303face Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Out of all the clones I like the Revolution myself and am thinking about getting one. I used to have 2 303's. One regular, one Devilfished. I sold them . I cant believe I did that. Its like Im a man without a face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Man, it's interesting to see the 303 become such a desired peice even though it's a niche sound. $400 brand new for a TB303 back then. Clones are more now (although respectable, except for the FR777). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Plus the envelope tweaking... I think that's important for the rubbery sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Plus the envelope tweaking... I think that's important for the rubbery sound.Do you mean slide affecting the envelope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skunk3 Posted April 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 I'm listening to some Luke Vibert right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 Do you mean slide affecting the envelope? Yes, if I remember correctly it does somehow. Or maybe it effects the resonance or cutoff itself. Either way, it's more than just the constant time I think. There was a really good page somewhere about how it all works, but I don't remember where it is. (I think it was a page with a lot of DevilFish details as well.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted April 21, 2007 Members Share Posted April 21, 2007 As far as I can tell the slide just deletes the next note's gate, as well as the obvious pitch bend. This is from listening and looking at the schematics. Perhaps you're thinking of the accent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted April 22, 2007 Members Share Posted April 22, 2007 Could be. I just know that there were a few interesting things about it. (more than just having a 3 pole diode ladder, and the timing of the slide) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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