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Hey, maybe you're right, but that still doesn't explain your pseudo-kiddie-porn avatar. It seems you feel perfectly justified in bashing an entire class of very rational people (atheists) but can't take a jab about your own very bad taste.

 

 

youl note that it wasnt a kiddie porn avatar, it was a cutsie japanese girl.you'l also note that asian girls in their twenties look like they are teenagers.

 

NO i didnt change it for you Herr vex, i change it all the time.

 

i was an atheist for over 20 years so i know wtf i'm on about and i wouldnt say atheists are rational at all, if you replaced atheist with agnostic i would agree...but you didnt so {censored} you!

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youl note that it wasnt a kiddie porn avatar, it was a cutsie japanese girl.you'l also note that asian girls in their twenties look like they are teenagers.


NO i didnt change it for you Herr vex, i change it all the time.


i was an atheist for over 20 years so i know wtf i'm on about and i wouldnt say atheists are rational at all, if you replaced atheist with agnostic i would agree...but you didnt so {censored} you!

 

 

I will note nothing other than your extreme arrogance.

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Religion is corrupt, so it's of no use to anyone who is interested in science. God respects atheists for trying to figure out everything from the standpoint of being an innocent human.



I used my lo fi loop junky in my corrupt church this morning, is that okay? ;)

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Hey, now, I have nothing against anyone's belief system. Whatever floats your boat is all good. I think atheists get a bad rap, though.

To frame my position, look at it this way. When we lived in caves, we believed imaginary things to help us cope with the fear of the unknown. Lightning was far beyond our comprehension, and without science to explain that it was caused (basically) by clouds rubbing together, so it seems reasonable that we had to explain it away by imagining someone "upstairs" with powers far greater than our own. As religion spread, the people who emerged as leaders grew to understand what an impact it had on society as a tool to control the masses, and it evolved. What religion has become is what bothers me personally. Take george bush for example. He was an arrogant person who did whatever he wanted before he "found God" and he's still an arrogant self-righteous person now. He used his religion to justify an illegal invasion of a foreign country that's resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties, men, women, and innocent children, and the displacement of millions of educators, doctors, and other necessary citizens to make Iraq successful as a country. But he feels good about it, and he spreads that warm fuzzy feeling to a lot of people in our country by wrapping himself in religion and the flag.

So in the evolution of religion, what was once a concept to explain the unknown has become a justification for horrifically bad behavior. And it doesn't stop with ol' george.

The word "atheism" elicits a negative reaction from religious people. Because it includes the concept of God as part of it's definition, some people want to short-cut the definition to "anti-God" somehow, but that's not what it's about. It simply means there is no deity of any kind, whatsoever. Humanity may have once needed dieties to understand the unknown, but now that dieties have been corrupted by powerful people to manipulate the masses and justify high crimes, they are of no use to atheists. Atheists recognize that humans are fully responsible for their own behavior. It's not about arrogance or anything else... It's about realizing that you are responsible for your own actions, and the only entities that can forgive you for any bad behavior are yourself and other living beings you've affected. As a result, atheists tend to be anti-war, anti-violence, and generally pretty good people. When you're an atheist, you don't "sin." You may actually hurt someone (or yourself), and when you realize that, you do as much as you can to undo the damage you've done if you want to stay a part of society. You don't have the convenience of ritual chanting or praying it away. You don't make your peace with God... you make it with the people you've affected, because they actually exist.

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Well put.

Imagine for a moment a world in which no one was encouraged or allowed to justify or rationalize away their highly questionable behavior because of an "Afterlife" or a "Supreme Being" or a "Holy Book" or a "Prophet/Messiah" but instead were made to see the consequences of what they do as having real effects in this world and as having real, long-ranging effects on conscious, emotional beings such as themselves.

And were educated to see clearly that this world is "it" and we have to live Here with this in mind.

Granted, that's probably beyond the capability of most people.

And it likely always will be; thus, religious systems are in no danger of passing away anytime soon.

By the way, the only reason no one is agnostic about unicorns or dragons is because there isn't nearly as much historic and social pressure to disbelieve or believe in these "hypothetical" entities. People are often (in this culture anyway) quite superstitious about theism and can feel very suspicious and confused by others' expressions of atheism -- it's pragmatic to conduct oneself as an agnostic even though your heart and your mind lean more towards atheism.

However one looks at it, though, the Sermon on the Mount is one of the most beautifully expressed ethical systems imaginable. Too bad that 2000 plus years later it's just a fantasy.

I mean, God, just look how people are to one another..........

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this thread has gotten out of hand, i started it just to see how many "god believers" are here on HCFX is all, not to debate science vs religion.

 

science is great and i love it but believing science has all the answers you would be mistaken.goes for religion too.

 

an example is the theory of evolution,its not even a theory when you actually study it and learn the basis of it all, its a hypothesis and a bad one at that.

 

i''ll say it again:"first there was nothing, then it exploded and formed everything" great little saying init?!?!?

 

i'm not under the impression science or religion needs to know everything because we as humans can never know everything, its impossible.

but its a fact that science does not know everything, its also a fact that scientists are wrong more often than they are right, that is good science.

this doesn't prove anything other than whats stated but it does leave open a possibility for a spiritual world and a creator, to deny this possibility is arrogant and means you assume you know everything, which as stated, is impossible!

 

evidence comes in more than one form, so do delusions and i would hope people have enough sense to decipher one from the other.

just because a majority believe something doesn't make it real, this goes for evolution and religion.

i often hear religious people say "well if evolution has holes in it that means creation is right" well, no it doesn't, all it means is that evolution has holes in it, and evolution does have holes in it and i ask you to not take my word for it but go look and learn for your self, don't take anyones word for anything, research things from multiple sources and decide for yourself once you've viewed all available evidence.

 

but, ultimately what it comes down to is personal belief and whatever people end up believing should be alright, humanity doesn't need to criticize one and other because we are all different...what a boring world it would be if we were all the same!

 

people are quick to jump on others and point out there short comings and make fun of their individuality yet they fail to see them selfs as they really are, imperfect just like everyone else!

 

the way i see it there are three possibilities of how we could have got here:

 

either we evolved by pure chance, i find this a remarkable claim as the complexity of the universe, our planet, plants, our bodies, DNA etc is huge, basically incomprehensible to us.(as mentioned earlier,check out the "golden ratio" its quite amazing!)

we were created by a higher being, which raises more questions about how it got here also. I find that irrelevant as we must answer one question at a time and not get a head of ourselves.

and finally, the one i find less likely but still give it credit for a possibility, is that we were planted here by another humanoid type species from another planet.

one of these must be correct because theres no other way we could have came to be here is there?!!?!?!?

 

so if one of these methods is correct and we cant prove without a doubt any of them are incorrect, doesn't that mean all are as possible as one another?!?!

 

it does to me!

 

think about it.

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I was made in the image and likeness of Jesus, my God.
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Jesus and the Holy Spirit are healing me of my deadly disease.
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The Bible tells me God made the first people and I'm related.
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I believe Noah and his family populated the earth after a Giant Flood that drowned any Monkey people. You know the one's they dig up to support evolution.
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I believe Jesus knew me before the foundations of the world.
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This is my testimony!



you're taking the piss right?

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this thread has gotten out of hand, i started it just to see how many "god believers" are here on HCFX is all, not to debate science vs religion.....

 

 

Huge problems here:

1. No qualified evolutionary scientist anywhere would ever say evolution is a game of "chance". This is the exact opposite of evolution. This is evolution 101 stuff man, come on.

2. The big bang theory has nothing to do with evolution. It's science certainly, but I'm just saying I'm not taking much from your clearly shaky knowledge of it already.

3. Explain to me how you find this "bad hypothesis/just a theory" is just that, when it has almost universal scientific acceptance as fact.

4. I don't quite understand how the golden ratio undermines science, or somehow makes even the tiniest argument for faith. Maybe we can't explain some things, but that sure isn't reason to jump to a completely unjustified and unprovable spiritual explanation or anything in between.

5. "just because a majority believe something doesn't make it real, this goes for evolution and religion." WTF??? I'm pretty sure majority or minority acceptance of evolution wouldn't make it any less a scientific fact; it sure isn't in the majority creationist US.

 

You have some ok points, but you seem to be advising people to think for themselves and read up on things you yourself haven't even the first basic idea of.

 

I'm backing you in agnosticism man, that's fine, sure, maybe we can't possibly know. Atheism therefore holds a certain faith/arrogance/stubbornness about it too, in being 100% convinced there is no god without proving his/her/its nonexistance. But just have a look at the concept of "Russell's teapot" too if you haven't already, and please get up to date on your science, as from what I'm reading here, you're talking a little strong before actually knowing enough to comment constructively.

 

At the end of the day, I take objection because it seems to me you're putting religion (the unknowable, ever unproven, ever without backing, and never changing) and science (constantly updating itself in the strive for truth, sometimes flawed but always in the right direction, and based as far as we can tell to this very second in proof) on equal lines, which I sincerely think they are not.

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Atheism therefore holds a certain faith/arrogance/stubbornness about it too, in being 100% convinced there is no god without proving his/her/its nonexistance

 

 

Sorry, but faith is limited to belief systems. Atheism lets go, accepts personal responsibility, and as a result, faith-based "believers" must attack by projecting their own fears onto Atheism. From the prospective of the "believers," "God forbid Atheism becomes the norm," because Atheism has no need for a collection plate. Once the profit from religious belief is destroyed, religion collapses. Follow the money.

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i know what i'm on about, been basically all i been doing the past three years.

most people dont have a {censored}ing clue tho, that theres the problem,they think what they are taught to think.

fact hey? you might wana check up a few things because it is NOT a fact!

 

you have taken my post totaly the wrong way imo!

 

i'm not doing the back and forth dispute crap as it solves absolutely nothing, nor do i wish to contribute to anyones thoughts about anything whatsoever!

people just need to think for themselves, which they dont, they think they do but they dont!

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Sorry, but faith is limited to belief systems. Atheism lets go, accepts personal responsibility, and as a result, faith-based "believers" must attack by projecting their own fears onto Atheism. From the prospective of the "believers," "God forbid Atheism becomes the norm," because Atheism has no need for a collection plate. Once the profit from religious belief is destroyed, religion collapses. Follow the money.

 

 

religious debates bad enough but dont bring any vermin {censored}ing church into it!

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Religious fanatics love to kill Atheists in the name of God.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

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Oh Rely ...give away all your pedals or let people make clones (in peace) at least !!!
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You are funny Z !!!
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Pedals are not faith. I don't owe anyone a free ride, buddy. I worked to get where I am, you communist. 8^P Those were Lennon's words, not mine.

 

Faith generates hundreds or thousands of times more yearly profit than all musical instruments, accessories, amplifiers and sound reinforcement combined.

 

Have you ever seen an "Atheist cross" for sale in a jewelry store?

 

You will never win an argument that the perpetuation of religious faith isn't based on money and power.

 

Atheism is about people.

 

Religious faith's purpose is to maintain the status quo.

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i know what i'm on about, been basically all i been doing the past three years.

most people dont have a {censored}ing clue tho, that theres the problem,they think what they are taught to think.

fact hey? you might wana check up a few things because it is NOT a fact!

 

Alright, I won't ask for a debate, I'd just like to be shown wrong. If you'd like to shoot me some links proving my basic objections wrong (that the big bang is in some (not very vague) way related to evolution, that a significant amount of the scientific community don't hold evolution as satisfactorily proven or hold that evolution is a game of chance, and that the golden ratio has anything to do with anything within this argument etc.), then I'll happily have a look, and be on my merry way, standing corrected.

 

Till then I'm hardly swayed by your ultra presuasive argument of "[believe me,] i know what i'm on about"

 

:wave:

 

Thinking for yourself is fine, but at least inform yourself. Damn. And read at least a tiny bit of evolution before you completely write it off as "just a theory" or some {censored}. Your chance comment suggests you don't know even nearly enough to weigh in on this issue.

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you communist.


That^ song sounds more like communist to me buddy!!:rolleyes:

Sometimes it's easy to put some nice words together and talk about a better world from your comfy bed ....try doin it !
No no ...not you Z ....you need to get back to work on the 'Box of Metal' pedal :lol: i need to kill a few communist in my neighbourhood since we can't live together !! ;)

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i know what i'm on about"


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Thinking for yourself is fine, but at least inform yourself. Damn. And read at least a tiny bit of evolution before you completely write it off as "just a theory" or some {censored}. Your chance comment suggests you don't know even nearly enough to weigh in on this issue.

 

links? i use actual books not the internet.

 

i dont feel obliged to prove what i know or dont know over the net to people either,this thread is NOT about that.

i'm not out to prove people right or wrong so do as you please.

this thread is simple, do you believe? thats it, not all this {censored}ing {censored} that its turned into, if people cant answer the thread without either wanting proof,debates or criticizing people then dont {censored}ing post at all!

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links? i use actual books not the internet.


i dont feel obliged to prove what i know or dont know over the net to people either,this thread is NOT about that.

i'm not out to prove people right or wrong so do as you please.

this thread is simple, do you believe? thats it, not all this {censored}ing {censored} that its turned into, if people cant answer the thread without either wanting proof,debates or criticizing people then dont {censored}ing post at all!



I think you should have done it as a poll. yes or no

might have been easier. :thu:

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"ARE YOU A JESUS BELIEVER!"

I believe the man existed.
I believe he had some very interesting things to say.
I believe he was a good and wise man.
I don't believe he performed miracles.
I don't believe he was the result of a virgin birth.
I don't believe he needs to be worshipped.

so 'yes' and 'no' I guess!! :)

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links? i use actual books not the internet.


i dont feel obliged to prove what i know or dont know over the net to people either,this thread is NOT about that.

i'm not out to prove people right or wrong so do as you please.

this thread is simple, do you believe? thats it, not all this {censored}ing {censored} that its turned into, if people cant answer the thread without either wanting proof,debates or criticizing people then dont {censored}ing post at all!

As it turns out, I read books too (who'd have thought!), but sadly you can't send books over teh internets. :(

 

I didn't, and don't now want to start a fight. I never assumed you wanted to convert people or something, I was just mystified by your claims, which sounded straight up wrong to me.

If you can really address any of my points, I'd gladly be corrected, but I'm just being dodged here ("shut up! I don't owe you an explanation!" "This isn't what I started this thread for!" "You interpreted me wrong! Trust me, I know this stuff.") .

 

But whatever, you don't owe me anything.

I'm probably being quite childish here. I am sorry for hardcore derailing your thread. It's cool for people to have faith, I just have a problem when I see clear mistakes or inaccuracies that seem to provide, as I mentioned before, equal playing field for the possibility of scientific fact and faith. All the worse when someone claims to be an expert in the subject. That or maybe I'm just an internet arsehole.

 

To address this thread's main point:

"ARE YOU A JESUS BELIEVER!"

 

I believe the man existed.

I believe he might have had some very interesting things to say.

I believe he might have been a good and wise man.

I don't believe he performed miracles.

I don't believe he was the result of a virgin birth.

I don't believe he needs to be worshipped.

 

Numbers 2 & 3 for me are hard to gauge considering I'm not 100% on the historical accuracy of Jesus's life within the Bible.

 

That's more than enough out of me.

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