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I feel like i missed the memo or something. Really, it seems like everyone (musicians especially) love to take cheap shots at this guy. Ok ok, so maybe he's not doing anything radically new and different... but if you take him for what he is, which is a POP musician with a jazz and blues influence, he's pretty damn good. He writes convincing hits and really solid songs in general. He can play guitar like a mofo. He's got a great (and unmistakable) voice. As lyricist, he's not the best, but every now and then i'll hear a line that i really like. Maybe his overall style is a little... milktoast. But when i saw him do a live set on TV last week, he was having a blast - totally messing with his songs' forms and taking them way out for solos and improv. He was definitely playing from the heart. Why do people think that he's so contrived? Or is that what people think? I can never really tell. Fans and haters alike, please give me some insight.

 

 

 

 

 

I think he just rubs people the wrong way with some of the comments he has made about his "role"" in music.

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BEIGE. His target market is females, and to be honest most chicks I know either don't know {censored} about music or they just don't care. If it's got a steady beat and a catchy chorus then they'll listen to it. Riding in cars with girls I notice most of them like to tap something (wheel, door, leg, etc) in time with the music, but god forbid it be too fast or in something other than 4/4. :rolleyes:

 

True story: I got home from the university a few days ago and my mom was blasting John Mayer on the stereo. She said I had to "listen to this one John Mayer song," that it would really give me some appreciation for him and his music.

 

And it was his {censored}ing cover of Bold as Love. :o:lol:

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I personally hate john mayer because he went to berkley.


No truly talented musician ever went to berkley.

 

 

Just a small list of untalented people who went to Berklee....

 

John Abercrombie '67

GuitarToshiko Akiyoshi '59

Piano, Composition

Jeff Andrews '79

Bass

Victor Bailey '79

Bass

Walter Beasley '84

Saxophone

Jeff Berlin '74

Bass

Cindy Blackman '80

Drums

John Blackwell '95

Drums

Seamus Blake '92

Saxophone

Tracy Bonham '89

Voice

Alan Broadbent '69

Piano, Composition

Dwayne Burno '91

Bass

Gary Burton '62

Vibes

Will Calhoun '86

Drums

Tommy Campbell '79

Drums

Terri Lyne Carrington '83

Drums

 

Cyrus Chestnut '85

Piano

 

Alf Clausen '66

Composer

Bruce Cockburn '65

Guitar, Voice, Songwriting

 

Vinnie Colaiuta '75

Drums

Paula Cole '90

Voice, Songwriting, Producer

Charlie Colin (Train) '88

Guitar, Voice, Songwriting

Stanton Davis '69

Trumpet

Andrew Dawson '01

Engineer

Eli Degibri '97

Saxophone

Kenwood Dennard '76

Drums

Al DiMeola '74

Guitar

 

Melissa Etheridge '80

Guitar, Voice, Songwriting

Kevin Eubanks '79

Guitar

Benny Faccone '78

Engineer

Donald Fagen '66

Piano, songwriting

Bill Frisell '77

Guitar

Reeves Gabrels '81

Piano, Keyboards

Albhy Galuten '68

Production, Guitar

Matt Garrison '92

Bass

Brian Garten '95

Engineer

Edsel Gomez '85

Piano, Keyboards

Mick Goodrick '67

Guitar

 

Stuart Hamm '80

Bass

Jan Hammer '69

Synthesis, Compositi

 

 

Roy Hargrove '89

TrumpetDonald Harrison '83

Saxophone

 

Juliana Hatfield '90

Guitar, Voice, Songwriting

Lalah Hathaway '94

Voice

Bob James '58

Piano, Keyboards

Ingrid Jenson '89

Trumpet

Quincy Jones '51

Producer, Arranger, Composer

Pete Karam '98

Engineer

Scott Kinsey '91

Piano, Keyboards

Diana Krall '83

Piano, Voice

Joey Kramer (Aerosmith) '71

Drums

Abe Laboriel, Jr. '93

Drums

Abraham Laboriel, Sr. '72

Bass

 

Jeff Lorber '71

Piano, Keyboards

Lionel Loueke '00

Guitar

Joe Lovano '72

Saxophone

Lage Lund '00

Guitar

Gavin Lurssen '91

Engineer

Rudresh Mahanthappa '92

Saxophone

Natalie Maines '95

Voice, Guitar, Songwriting

Aimee Mann '80

Guitar, Voice, Songwriting

Michael Manring '79

Bass

Arif Mardin '61

Producer

Charlie Mariano '51

Saxophone

Eric Marienthal '79

Saxophone

Matt Marin '98

Engineer

Branford Marsalis '80

Saxophone

Delfeayo Marsalis '89

Trombone, Composition

Tony Maserati '86

Engineer

John Mayer '98

Guitar, Voice, Songwriting

Donny McCaslin '88

Saxophone

Ralph Moore '78

Saxophone

Rob Mounsey '75

Production, Composition, Film Scoring, Piano

George Mraz '70

Bass

John Myoung (Dream Theater) '86

Bass

Juan "Johnny" Najera '99

Engineer

Jay Newland '84

Production, Engineering

Sam Newsome '87

Saxophone

Greg Osby '83

Saxophone, Composition

Makoto Ozone '83

Piano, Composition

Wayne Pedziwater '78

Bass

Danilo Perez '88

Piano

John Petrucci '86

Guitar

 

 

Bill Pierce '73

SaxophoneMike Portnoy (Dream Theater) '86

Drums

Emily Remier '76

Guitar

Makeba Riddick '99

Voice, Songwriting

John "J.R." Robinson '75

Drums

Claudio Roditi '70

Trumpet

Carrie Rodriguez '01

Violin, Voice, Songwriting

Reuben Rogers '94

Bass

Wallace Roney '81

Trumpet

Kurt Rosenwinkel '90

Guitar

Antonio Sanchez '97

Drums

John Scofield '73

Guitar

Christian Scott '04

Trumpet

Kendrick Scott '03

Drums

Michael Semanick '85

Engineer

Sonny Sharrock '62

Guitar

Howard Shore '69

Film scoring, Composition

Alan Silvestri '70

Film Scoring

Marvin "Smitty" Smith '81

Drums

Steve Smith '76

Drums

Walter Smith III '02

Saxophone

Luciana Souza '92

Voice

Mike Stern '75

Guitar

Neil Stubenhaus '75

Bass

Tierney Sutton '87

Voice

Susan Tedeschi '91

Voice, Guitar

Jacky Terrasson '86

Piano

Nestor Torres '73

Flute

Brian Transeau (BT) '89

Producer, Composer

Hiromi Uehara '03

Piano, Keyboards

Diego Urcola '90

Trumpet

Steve Vai '79

Guitar

Jack Walrath '68

Trumpet

Lee Hom Wang '99

Voice

Sadao Watanabe '65

Saxophone

Ernie Watts '66

Saxophone

Jeff (Tain) Watts '81

Drums

Gillian Welch '92

Voice, Guitar, Songwriting

Kenny Werner '68

Piano

Mark Whitfield '87

Guitar

Brad Whitford (Aerosmith) '71

Guitar

Elizabeth Withers '94

Voice

Anthony Wonsey '94

Piano, Keyboards

Yangpa (Lee Eun Jin) ''01

Voice

Joe Zawinul '59

Piano, Synth, Composition

Miguel Zenon '98

Saxophone

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If you judge him as a purely pop 'idol', he is really up there, and certinaly one of the best around right now. No question.

 

Now if you jduge him as a musician, he kinda sucks. His playing isn't that impressive (though better than average), his songwriting is terribly bland, chessy, unoriginal, etc.

 

Personally I think it makes sense to judge musicians in their context, so I would say John Mayer is one of the better pop stars. But I don't like his music, and I also don't think he deserves to be compared to any truly great musicians, since he doesn't even come CLOSE

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Just a small list of untalented people who went to Berklee....


ETC... ETC.....

 

I'm sorry... who? :p

 

John is a very clean, precise player, and you practically never see him confused, or making mistakes on where he is in the song. That being said, I think his music is just awful. He's good at making poppy tunes to moisten the panties of girls, but he really, REALLY needs to stay away from the blues, since all he does is copy his "influences" and makes it sound way too poppy.

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almost everyone in that Berklee list of artists is either:


a jazz musician,

plays adult contemporary, or

a shredder for an 80's metal band.


:freak:

:wave:

 

Taste or no taste aside, does that make them untalented? I just thought that the blanket statement was a little silly.....seriously....

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almost everyone in that Berklee list of artists is either:


a jazz musician,

plays adult contemporary, or

a shredder for an 80's metal band.


:freak:

:wave:

 

Too bad they are the core of session musicians in LA. Vinny C, Abe Leborial Jr. and Sr. etc play on TONS of albums that we all have in our music collection.

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Too bad they are the core of session musicians in LA. Vinny C, Abe Leborial Jr. and Sr. etc play on TONS of albums that we all have in our music collection.

 

 

the best part is that much of the time they are "ghost playing" on tracks that you think your favorite rock/pop artist is actually playing on.... less of this is going on these days due to technology allowing bigger and bigger turds to be polished, but it still goes on....

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Whoa nelly!

 

I never contested they were bad musicians. That was someone else's argument. I was just pointing out the genre's that these academic musician's tend to fall into. :cop:

 

I'll admit I have albums by some of these blokes. Scofield, Frisell, Stern and even Vinnie C. kicks ass on some of Zappa's work. But c'mon man, Paula Cole writes music to douche to. A lot of those other guys have instructional videos. Good on them, but I find a lot of their music stale.

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Whoa nelly!


I never contested they were bad musicians. That was someone else's argument. I was just pointing out the genre's that these academic musician's tend to fall into.
:cop:

I'll admit I have albums by some of these blokes. Scofield, Frisell, Stern and even Vinnie C. kicks ass on some of Zappa's work. But c'mon man, Paula Cole writes music to douche to. A lot of those other guys have instructional videos. Good on them, but I find a lot of their music stale.

 

Fair enough, though I do think there are tons of people in the list I consider pretty sweet (Quincy Jones, for one). I do see what you're saying now. Apologies for jumping on you.

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if you could be him and make panties wet, would you? :poke:
:love:

 

:lol: If that's what I would want to do musically... for sure, but that's not the kind of music I would want to make. Besides, I prefer to make girls wet the old fashion way... lube. :p

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