Members phyrexia Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 When I saw him it was obvious he is helping other bands and people with their careers as well. At what point does a "good guitarist" mean virtuoso-like technical proficiency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members larry50 Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 BB King is all about the Blues, not just playing the guitar. He just plays in the basic BB King blues boxes. But its the mojo, the voice and the guitar that all combines to make him special. That voice can cut paper. Plus, he really popularized the blues beyond the basic blues audiences. The Eric Clapton Crossroads Guitar concert from Chicago this summmer was on PBS in LA tonight. Backed by no less than three Strats (Jimmy Vaughn and Robert Cray included), his Gibson still cut through the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members balthazarr Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 BB King is all about the Blues, not just playing the guitar. He just plays in the basic BB King blues boxes. But its the mojo, the voice and the guitar that all combines to make him special. That voice can cut paper. Plus, he really popularized the blues beyond the basic blues audiences. The Eric Clapton Crossroads Guitar concert from Chicago this summmer was on PBS in LA tonight. Backed by no less than three Strats (Jimmy Vaughn and Robert Cray included), his Gibson still cut through the mix. What time? I keep missing this! BBK is a living legend.Cliche, but oh, so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HMKRich Posted November 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 , then come in here and tell everyone you're a better guitar player than a living legend. I'm not saying I'm a better singer. I'm not saying I'm a better showman. I'm not even saying I'm a nicer guy. I'm just saying that there's a bunch of guys on this forum who are better guitar players than BB. You might even be one of them. We're not greater, just better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HMKRich Posted November 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 BB King is all about the Blues, not just playing the guitar. He just plays in the basic BB King blues boxes. But its the mojo, the voice and the guitar that all combines to make him special. That voice can cut paper. Plus, he really popularized the blues beyond the basic blues audiences. This is the most rational thing in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members washuffitze3 Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 its all about the soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brambulance Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 The thing is, B.B. doesn't claim to be anything he's not. He has always openly admitted to not being technically proficient on guitar and has always expressed a desire to learn more. In other words, he has something that seems to be in short supply around here -- humility. qft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pbone Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Zvex pedals are pretty overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squareking Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Years from now, no one on any public forum will put up a poll about how you played guitar, how you sang or how you've impacted the music community in any way, shape or form. The fact that you can walk into virtually any partially developed country, mention the guy's name and illicit some kind of response speaks volumes -- not because he's the most popular blues guy, not because of "The Thrill is Gone," but because he's what the term 'legend' means. I'm sure there are music theorists and showmen all over this board who could 'outplay' BB, sure. But respect is due. The sign of a good musician is when that person acknowledges and respects what each type of music has to offer; from the slower and simpler Kings to the stupidly fast Vais. Please return with your opinion after living a life like BB did. If you don't die, maybe you'll stumble across some humility and respect somewhere along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members balthazarr Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Finally, I get to see what all the talk is about the last two nights. PBS is re-showing the Crossroads program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rocket Roll Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Well, there are three videos in which B.B. teaches guitar - they're called "B.B. King - Blues Master". Not a very original name, but at least one has the chance to see for oneself that B.B. does indeed know more than he shows on the stage. Though he works hard to "sell the image" of an "unejumacated" blues player... He actually reads notes, loves to play bebop... Makes one wonder, doesn't it? There they are - Malmsteen, Vai, Satriani, Portnoy - spilling out every lick they've learned and then some, and then there's B.B. and he only plays what needs to be played. During the video(s), he says something along the lines of "Playing is conversating, and you're to be polite, interesting and meaningful in a conversation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squareking Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 ^ I was surprised at how short he sells himself in interviews and etc. He shows a lot of knowledge in those vids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EL KABONG Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 its just depressing having experienced his old shows that were great beyond description _then now being charged $100.00 a pop to hear him talk about the differences between supper and dinner while the drummer slowly pumps his hi hat and BB talks. then to top it off some we get to hear some crumb snatcher sing the thrill is gone, even the two old black guys setting next to us were saying WTF is this. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrip offffffffffffffffffffff cha ching for BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kittycaster Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Who was really doing finger vibrato before BB King? He combined the style of T-Bone Walker with an emulation of slide guitarists' vibrato using his fingers. You can trace most of the rock/blues soloing ideas back to him. Listen to his vibrato! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HMKRich Posted November 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Years from now, no one on any public forum will put up a poll about how you played guitar, how you sang or how you've impacted the music community in any way, shape or form. The fact that you can walk into virtually any partially developed country, mention the guy's name and illicit some kind of response speaks volumes -- not because he's the most popular blues guy, not because of "The Thrill is Gone," but because he's what the term 'legend' means. I'm sure there are music theorists and showmen all over this board who could 'outplay' BB, sure. But respect is due. The sign of a good musician is when that person acknowledges and respects what each type of music has to offer; from the slower and simpler Kings to the stupidly fast Vais. I agree with everything you said! I'm not trying to say BB is a piece of crap. I definately agree that he's had a huge impact on the musical culture of America, and I think that his impact is even more pronounced today than when he was in his musical prime. I have no problem putting his name up there with Elvis, Willie Nelson, David Bowie, Garth Brooks, or any of the other great showmen. I'd even say he's as 'great' as Hendrix, Paige, May, EVH, or Vai. I don't question his greatness, importance, or legacy. I just don't think his guitar playing is the basis of his greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadMirror Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Great singer? Sure. Great musician? Ok. Great blues man? Yes. Great performer? Undoubtedly. OK Great guitar player? No. Just decent. WHO CARES????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poltergeist Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 What do you call a guitar player who only knows 3 chords? A music critic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 lol have you heard this chump play? BB smokes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members p90teleman Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 I prefer Lightnin Hopkins, Skip James, Son House...but they REALLY can't play {censored}, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Sorry, but I gotta call BS. The dudes 82 and still hasn't learned how to play a chord. I know you're trolling, but you have no idea what you're talking about. None. Here, now go away. http://youtube.com/watch?v=iO33XAM2tg0 I don't care that you think you can play better. I would bet your control of dynamics isn't as good. I would bet your vibrato isn't as smooth and even and I would bet your bends aren't as accurate. I would also bet that most of the world would rather watch him play than you, even if he doesn't go weedly weedly wee with the gain all the way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyo Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 This forum is odd. Yesterday it was tubes v Solid state : today it's BB v Vai. Didn't the rest of the internet grow out of this already ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cbpickin Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 There is no one else on this planet that can say so much with one note. Ask any other blues guitar player. Almost all of them will say they wish they could cop BB's vibrato. BB is also Robben Ford's idol, but maybe you think he can't play much either, I don't know. BB can hit one note with vibrato and you instantly know who it is, if you know your history. Can you do that? How many guitar players CAN do that? Thanks for you opinion, glad its your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tenoken Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 This forum is odd. Yesterday it was tubes v Solid state : today it's BB v Vai. Didn't the rest of the internet grow out of this already ? Stay tuned. Tomorrow it's going to be Zvex vs. the cast of Big Trouble in Little China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators justcrash Posted November 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted November 30, 2007 I've listened to his old stuff. And I really want to be impressed. But I'm not a great guitarist. And me on a sloppy day is still better than what is considered his best. There's alot of famous folks that might not be all that incredible technicly. But there's still somthing to admire. Edge can't shred, but he's an effects artist, for example. There's a ton of guys who can't shred but write great songs. (Tom Petty, Willie Nelson, etc.) There's a lot of guys who can shred but don't have a ton of commercial success. (Vai, Satch, etc.) There's alot of guys who've defined the direction of the instrument. (Chuck Berry, Hendrix, Chet Atkins, etc.) There are guys who aren't great, but are prolific. (Kief, George Harrison, etc.) Heck, there've even been singer/songwriters who happen to play guitar. (melancamp, elvis, garth, etc.) But BB ain't nothin next to those guys. In his prime, was BB as good as George Harrison? nope. Chuck Berry? nope. Willie Nelson? nope. And we aren't even talkin about Chet, Vai, Hendrix, etc. He might be a better singer, than George, but he ain't better in any other aspect. Same with Chuck. But he's not even as good a singer as Willie. And Willie at 74 is twice the player that BB was at 47. Obviously you're trolling and I really shouldn't even respond, but in case it hasn't been said already, put up some clips of you playing better than BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmyo Posted November 30, 2007 Members Share Posted November 30, 2007 Stay tuned. Tomorrow it's going to be Zvex vs. the cast of Big Trouble in Little China. I don't care - while Ms Belucci remains, I remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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