Members usc96 Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Not that I'd know the first thing about building my own pedal, but now I'm curious about what info is out there. What's the offending website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikesr1963 Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 um, i have dealt with mike and he's a good guy, but isn't this a just a case of a guy who copies other people's circuits getting mad at a guy telling people how to copy his circuits? Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TJSmitty Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 um, i have dealt with mike and he's a good guy, but isn't this a just a case of a guy who copies other people's circuits getting mad at a guy telling people how to copy his circuits? Yes, but the forum is merely DIY ers. No one is profiting from the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TJSmitty Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Not that I'd know the first thing about building my own pedal, but now I'm curious about what info is out there. What's the offending website? freestompboxes.org You'll learn a thing or two about that $300 dollar pedal you just bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bruno Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 LOL just doesn't say it. C'mon man you think that this is funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TJSmitty Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 And i was just about to pull the trigger on a sunface... this is a really poor decision. He will alienate some (not alot mind you, but certainly some) potential buyers because of this, and be out 100 grand, which is an absolutely ridiculous price for a lawyer regardless. There's no possible way he can win this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 maybe the law will be the only way to get these sort of things figured out. Imo, too many people are copying each other already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NITEFLY182 Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 The selling KOTs on ebay is a little implausible for raising $100,000. If he makes $500 per pedal (which he wont) he would still have to build 200 of them and sell every one (not gonna happen). Even if he did that it would probably be 3 months of solid work building them without a day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UncleJesse Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Anyone with ideas on how to fight internet terrorists more effectively please let me know. :D Really? This reminds me of "ninjas killed my family need money for kung-fu lessons" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Devi Ever Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 C'mon man you think that this is funny? Absolutely. The pedal industry has always taken itself way too seriously, and it's always amused me. Yes, morals vs. ethics, etc. etc. but it doesn't change the fact if people want to clone something they will, and can, whether it is right wrong, legal, or not (we've been over this a million times... it's near impossible to truly protect a circuit from copying and reselling, so there you go). As with any other business, people are going to have to learn to adapt to the new age of free exchange of information. Seriously. If you are afraid of cloners and DIY'ers affecting your sales, maybe it's time to look at a new business model, because let's be realistic, they aren't going away. devi- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TJSmitty Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 maybe the law will be the only way to get these sort of things figured out. Imo, too many people are copying each other already. It's an internationally hosted website, the KOT is based on someone elses circuit, he doesn't hold the copywrite to the picture posted, etc. etc. Tough battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members starsailor803 Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Absolutely. The pedal industry has always taken itself way too seriously, and it's always amused me.Yes, morals vs. ethics, etc. etc. but it doesn't change the fact if people want to clone something they will, and can, whether it is right wrong, legal, or not (we've been over this a million times... it's near impossible to truly protect a circuit from copying and reselling, so there you go).As with any other business, people are going to have to learn to adapt to the new age of free exchange of information.Seriously. If you are afraid of cloners and DIY'ers affecting your sales, maybe it's time to look at a new business model, because let's be realistic, they aren't going away.devi- True, and things being the way they are nowadays, someone such as Analogmike should be able to use his good reputation as job security. This is counterproductive for him. He has the rep for being one of the nicest, most honest guys in the industry which shocks me that he'd resort to this. BTW, very decent of you, Devi to remove that quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 mike is making a big mistake imo. He's turning this into a big catfight and it's only going to get uglier before it gets better. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sdresdre Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 how is this different from downloading music and movies freestompboxes closes .... another one opens up. deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 It's an internationally hosted website, the KOT is based on someone elses circuit, he doesn't hold the copywrite to the picture posted, etc. etc. Tough battle. yeah know that is why i think he is making a mistake. Imo, he makes a great product and any clones made will not be able to compete. He just needs to ramp up production the competition wont won't have a chance, clone or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Devi Ever Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 BTW, very decent of you, Devi to remove that quote. Word. I tend to get caught up in the drama a bit too much. Trying to curb my old evil ways. devi- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 These are the FS.org guys. I don't think they are a threat. First of all AnalogGuru doesn't even play guitar. The other guy is a kid. Its not as if they are authorities on TONE. HOWEVER, they have a thead on their forum which has pictures of all of us builders in a "hitlist" manner. I have been considering talking to the authorities cause that is as creepy as finding a phone book with lines through names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TJSmitty Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 These are the FS.org guys. I don't think they are a threat. First of all AnalogGuru doesn't even play guitar. The other guy is a kid. Its not as if they are authorities on TONE. HOWEVER, they have a thead on their forum which has pictures of all of us builders in a "hitlist" manner. I have been considering talking to the authorities cause that is as creepy as finding a phone book with lines through names. Whoa, i haven't seen that thread. Creepathon. Most of my experience on that forum has been good. AnalogGuru is quite condescending at times, but almost everyone there is just curious exactly what these goopers are charging us for. I know Brian Marshall's original designs were applauded for not being TS, LBP, Bluesbreaker, etc. clones. Forums such as these prevent business terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PeelingPaint98 Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Stupiest excuse for a money grab I've ever read . . . thankfully now I know for sure that I never want to own an Analogman pedal . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 i saw this at fs.org and wanted to see what you guys thought of it. Wow, that's pretty sad actually.I thought Mike was a much cooler person than that.He must be worried that people will copy his COPY of someone else's pedal !!!Tell us Mike, who gave you the legal rights to the Marshall BluesBreaker design anyway ? Oh and the Fuzz Face, Rangmaster and all the other CLONES you make a living building.Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EvilSoup Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sdresdre Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 i saw this at fs.org and wanted to see what you guys thought of it. ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Marshall Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Yes, but the forum is merely DIY ers. No one is profiting from the information. or at least you dont know of any YET. Since FS.org started there's already been one site that has shown up that is selling kits for a number of clones of boutique pedals. Now maybe that person is a member there, or maybe they aren't, but all the kits they are selling are pedals that have been traced on FS.org. hmmmmm:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brian Marshall Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 how is this different from downloading music and movies Well downloading music and movies is illegal. Downloading schematics is not, so long as the person that drew them doesn't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted December 30, 2007 Members Share Posted December 30, 2007 Well downloading music and movies is illegal. Downloading schematics is not, so long as the person that drew them doesn't mind. downloading a redrawn schematic is very different from downloading music. This has been discussed at fs.org specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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