OT: The most poetic argument against abortion I've ever heard.

[NoirAbattoir]

Ben Folds 5 - Brick

 

6 am day after christmas

I throw some clothes on in

The dark

The smell of cold

Car seat is freezing

The world is sleeping and

I am numb

Up the stairs to her apartment

She is balled up on the couch

Her mom and dad went down

To charlotte

Theyre not home to find us

Out

And we drive

Now that I have founds someone

Im feeling more alone

Than I ever have before

 

Chorus

Shes a brick and Im drowning

Slowly

Off the coast and Im headed

Nowhere

Shes a brick and Im drowning

Slowly

 

They call her name at 7:30

I pace around the parking lot

Then I walk down to buy her

Flowers

And sell some gifts that I got

Cant you see

Its not me youre dying for

Now shes feeling more alone

Than she ever has before

 

Chorus

 

As weeks went by

It showed that she was not fine

They told me son its time

To tell the truth

And she broke down and I broke

Down

cause I was tired of lying

Driving back to her apartment

For the moment were alone

Shes alone

And Im alone

Now I know it

[Barnabyhuggins]

I always thought that song was about going to Dunkin' Donuts.

 

It could also be seen a simply a discussion of the difficulty of a hard choice. Whether or not abortion should be legal; it always should be a difficult choice.

[pianorocker]

It's a good song...that's what I can say.

[GIR unit]

Poetry is hell on Constitutional rights.

[murch33]

I'm so in favor of abortion I can't even put it into words.

[NoirAbattoir]

I'm so in favor of abortion I can't even put it into words.

Are you a marine? Do you play with puppies?

[Servant]

Good song. I remember riding around listening to that when it was first out. Good times - and a few not so good. Meh.

[voerking]

I'm so in favor of abortion I can't even put it into words.

 

me and you both, buddy. not anyone else's business.

[voerking]

also, another thing i can't put into words is my dislike of ben folds. i think dramatic piano rock is not my thing.

[Fatso Forgottso]

I'm so in favor of abortion I can't even put it into words.

 

 

+1 trillion

[NoirAbattoir]

also, another thing i can't put into words is my dislike of ben folds. i think dramatic piano rock is not my thing.

May Joe Jackson haunt your nightmares for the rest of this week.

[NoirAbattoir]

The problem with abortion is that there is a point in development where, innarguably, there is a human life. Most people don't want to dwell on the specifics, though. It's far too inconvenient for them to do so.

[dap99]

The problem with abortion is that there is a point in development where, innarguably, there is a human life. Most people don't want to dwell on the specifics, though. It's far too inconvenient for them to do so.

 

 

The problem w/ anti-choicers is they tend to be the same people who DON'T adopt, and DON'T fund and/or support those of us whose career it is to work w/ the kids that were born addicted to substances, and/or to abusive parents.

 

Nor do the anti-choicers want to fund the programs necessary to treat said population. And FWIW, many of these kids, will ALWAYS be dependent on others and the "system" that the anti-choicers tend to ignore.

 

It's really easy to wave the "pro-life" flag. But really, we're all pro-life. I mean, I'm certainly not pro-death. But I believe that every child should be a WANTED child.

[Arcanesox]

New Abortion

I'm ethereal, my children are legion, serial
They stick to my skin like beloved cysts
I tear away with my nails and teeth and fists
Touch the hands of inverted saints
Follow my heart through the threaded pain
Callow man is a sentinel screaming
I see the future; the future is bleeding

Sores, every goddamn minute I can feel 'em now
Like a virus, you will never kill me now
Goin' underground, comin' on like hepatitis
We're out - and you can't reshape us
Another bug in the construct
Tearin' up the main bus B
Zeros and ones are everything - execute me

Everywhere you look, it's like they know
Their fingerprints are hidden by CONTROL
This is where the line is drawn, see
YOU CAN'T TAKE MY SOUL AWAY FROM ME

What do you need to see? Ya feel the impact?
Gotta retract - everybody get back
What is this? It's like a big conspiracy
Fields of dejected morbid progeny
They always say that it's always our fault
But everything we say is taken with a grain of salt
Man, it's always the same, if we talk or complain
We only wanna upset the balance
How's it feel to be the New Abortioin?
The only generation to suffer extortion

Everywhere you look, it's like they know
Their fingerprints are hidden by CONTROL
This is where the line is drawn, see
YOU CAN'T TAKE MY SOUL AWAY FROM ME

YOU CAN'T TAKE MY SOUL AWAY FROM ME

[NoirAbattoir]

+1 bajillion The problem w/ anti-choicers is they tend to be the same people who DON'T adopt, and DON'T fund and/or support those of us whose career it is to work w/ the kids that were born addicted to substances, and/or to abusive parents. Nor do the anti-choicers want to fund the programs necessary to treat said population. And FWIW, many of these kids, will ALWAYS be dependent on others and the "system" that the anti-choicers tend to ignore. It's really easy to wave the "pro-life" flag. But really, we're all pro-life. I mean, I'm certainly not pro-death. But I believe that every child should be a WANTED child.

First and foremost, you've never been more wrong in your life.

Anti-choicers?

[smrz]

The problem with abortion is that there is a point in development where, innarguably, there is a human life. Most people don't want to dwell on the specifics, though. It's far too inconvenient for them to do so.

 

 

Generally, for better or for worse, most people seem to define that as either birth or conception. Conception is insane. Birth might seem crazy to some, but I'm willing to accept it. Definitions of human life are very difficult to pin down, too. I think there are valid arguments against abortions, but I don't think equating a fetus with a person is one of them. To me, it's a false assumption.

 

That song, by the way, is about regretting abortion. Whether an abortion is, for the average person, the choice that will make them happier seems besides the point of the abortion debate. We should have the legal right to make bad choices in our personal lives. Again, the abortion debate isn't about that.

[smrz]

Are you a marine? Do you play with puppies?

Invalid analogy'd.

[smrz]

The problem w/ anti-choicers is they tend to be the same people who DON'T adopt, and DON'T fund and/or support those of us whose career it is to work w/ the kids that were born addicted to substances, and/or to abusive parents. Nor do the anti-choicers want to fund the programs necessary to treat said population. And FWIW, many of these kids, will ALWAYS be dependent on others and the "system" that the anti-choicers tend to ignore. It's really easy to wave the "pro-life" flag. But really, we're all pro-life. I mean, I'm certainly not pro-death. But I believe that every child should be a WANTED child.

 

 

While there's a lot of what seems like ideological mumbo jumbo here, it does seem crazy that the same demographic, broadly, who looks to curtail abortion rights also works to cut funding for the social services that they help to crowd. What the {censored}?

[NoirAbattoir]

+1 bajillion But I believe that every child should be a WANTED child.

 

 

You have a lot of flawed ideas here, but this one is something I will bother with. More than ever, there are responsible, caring, capable couples who can't conceive and want children. It's become a pretty big business importing adoptions from abroad. It's expensive because of the huge demand. I guess I'm trying to tell you that there aren't any unwanted babies so much as unwanted pregnancies. There's a big difference, if you really want to think about it.

[capnbringdown]

I, ah...this abortion issue in the States is dividing the country right in half. You know, and even amongst my friends - we're all highly intelligent - they're totally divided on the issue of abortion. Totally divided. Some of my friends think these pro-life people are just annoying idiots. Other of my friends think these pro-life people are evil {censored}s. How are we gonna have a consensus? I'm torn. I try and take the broad view and think of them as evil, annoying {censored}s.

 

-Bill Hicks

[NoirAbattoir]

Invalid analogy'd.

 

 

I'm sorry, I just find it as cruel to have an abortion as it is to toss a puppy down a cliff, or whatever that heinous video was of.

[murch33]

Are you a marine? Do you play with puppies?

Don't you have a planned parenthood clinic that needs fire bombing?

[NoirAbattoir]

Generally, for better or for worse, most people seem to define that as either birth or conception. Conception is insane. Birth might seem crazy to some, but I'm willing to accept it. Definitions of human life are very difficult to pin down, too. I think there are valid arguments against abortions, but I don't think equating a fetus with a person is one of them. To me, it's a false assumption.

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Birth is when life begins? So, I suppose if a maniac intentionally kicked a very pregnant woman in her 9th month in the stomach, thereby causing the baby to die, it would be simple assault?

[NoirAbattoir]

Don't you have a planned parenthood clinic that needs fire bombing?

[smrz]

I'm sorry, I just find it as cruel to have an abortion as it is to toss a puppy down a cliff, or whatever that heinous video was of.

 

 

So your saying that destroying, by varying means, a few developing cells in the first trimester of a pregnancy (easily the most common form of abortion) is the same as throwing a living dog off of a cliff for fun? That's bull{censored}, but I guess we just can't even really have a discussion with such different assumptions.