Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 I used to use a Mesa MKIII C+ for metal in the old days. Great Metallica type sound. Is there a pedal I can run through my Marshall Plexi or Bassman that can get a convincing metal tone for recording. I don't need it for live because I don't play metal anymore, but I need a good thick metal tone for recording. No nu-metal tones. Old school Metallica/Slayer type tones. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MathiasWilliam Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 doesnt the guy from metallica use a RAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members IvIark Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Hughes and Kettner Warp Factor. Just leave the Warp control to the left so the mids aren't scooped. Or a Zoom TM-01 if you can find one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 doesnt the guy from metallica use a RAT? ???? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Thanks guys. More? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members josh27 Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 OOOOOOOODLES OF BROOOOOOOOOTLZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dap99 Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 You should look into the Pocket Pod by Line6 or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Agreed Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 There have been more than 15-20 dirt pedals on my board over time, and of the four that remain, two fit the bill, being the Zoom Tri-Metal TM-01 (keep the gain less than noon for those bands, this thing is a monster) and the Damage Control Solid Metal, an amazing, toneful dual 12AX7-based pedal that will bring the distortion masterfully without compromising your dynamics in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 What about the Boss Metalcore or the Dimebag pedal? I've never tried either one. Are they any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Liberty Belle Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 metal muff is cool, check one out.its a distortion not a fuzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Z Vex Box of Metal?DAMAGE CONTROL DEMONIZER?Krank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Agreed Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Boss Metalcore - Digital masquerading as analog. Not necessarily evil, but intentionally misleading. Dimebag pedal - The second distortion channel of the MXR Doubleshot Distortion. Most people find it difficult to tune to work with your amp and cab. Some get good results, but I've never seen someone use this as their main dirt pedal for long. Metal Muff - Good pedal, I enjoyed this one while I had it. If you can't find a Zoom Tri-Metal, this gets you pretty close and has its own sound going on. Voiced similarly to a Dual Rec, but flatter/more compressed sounding. Top boost is useful for solo definition, but you have to be careful not to use too much. Get the full sized one if you get this pedal, because it gives you a three band EQ for shaping your tone, a Top Boost adjustment knob so you can dial it in how you prefer, and finally a footswitch for the top boost function, necessary to get the most out of the feature. Box of Metal - Haven't tried it, too rich for my blood (especially since I don't think I'd like it based off of clips I've heard, it's a little bit disappointing considering the Box of Rock which is a quality dirt pedal). Damage Control Demonizer - If your metal stops in the early to mid 1980s, this might be your pedal. Not as much gain as the Solid Metal and different tone as well. More strongly voiced with its own distinct, while the Solid Metal is designed to work with your amp to get a unique tone - this is because the Demonizer is designed as an all-in-one direct recording or direct-to-mixer solution. This would be an awesome pedal to lug around as a backup in case your amp crapped out at a show, or if you wanted to do easy recording, but it won't do heavier tones. You can replace the stock EHX 12AX7s with Tung Sols or other higher gain tubes to get more grit out of it, but the expense over the Solid Metal and the extra features you may or may not need call into question the economics of doing so. Krank Distortus Maximus - Funny pedal. It's two ripoffs in one. The first part of this pedal is a part-for-part copy of the old EHX Screaming Bird Treble Booster, and it feeds a part-for-part copy of the freely available DIY pedal, the Smashdrive. They claim it gives the Krank sound in a box, but I don't think they based their amps' sound off of an old treble booster feeding a free DIY pedal. Waste of money. Whatever dirt pedal you get, buy an EQ to go with it (after it)! A Danelectro Fish n' Chips has a lower noise floor than the Boss GE-7 and costs a mere $29.99. It will give you much more control over your distortion sound. Don't worry about it being plastic, I have two on my board and it's very sturdy if you're not a total ogre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WayTooApe Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 ???? No. Actually, both Kurk Hammett and James Hetfield recorded their first album, Kill 'Em All, using just marshall amps on clean, and Proco rats for the distortion. so check on what you say before you assume its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Actually, both Kurk Hammett and James Hetfield recorded their first album, Kill 'Em All, using just marshall amps on clean, and Proco rats for the distortion. so check on what you say before you assume its true. That may be true. Thanks. But I'm looking for more of a Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets tone without buying a Marshall JCM800 or Mesa Mk head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Boss Metalcore - Digital masquerading as analog. Not necessarily evil, but intentionally misleading. Dimebag pedal - The second distortion channel of the MXR Doubleshot Distortion. Most people find it difficult to tune to work with your amp and cab. Some get good results, but I've never seen someone use this as their main dirt pedal for long. Metal Muff - Good pedal, I enjoyed this one while I had it. If you can't find a Zoom Tri-Metal, this gets you pretty close and has its own sound going on. Voiced similarly to a Dual Rec, but flatter/more compressed sounding. Top boost is useful for solo definition, but you have to be careful not to use too much. Get the full sized one if you get this pedal, because it gives you a three band EQ for shaping your tone, a Top Boost adjustment knob so you can dial it in how you prefer, and finally a footswitch for the top boost function, necessary to get the most out of the feature. Box of Metal - Haven't tried it, too rich for my blood (especially since I don't think I'd like it based off of clips I've heard, it's a little bit disappointing considering the Box of Rock which is a quality dirt pedal). Damage Control Demonizer - If your metal stops in the early to mid 1980s, this might be your pedal. Not as much gain as the Solid Metal and different tone as well. More strongly voiced with its own distinct, while the Solid Metal is designed to work with your amp to get a unique tone - this is because the Demonizer is designed as an all-in-one direct recording or direct-to-mixer solution. This would be an awesome pedal to lug around as a backup in case your amp crapped out at a show, or if you wanted to do easy recording, but it won't do heavier tones. You can replace the stock EHX 12AX7s with Tung Sols or other higher gain tubes to get more grit out of it, but the expense over the Solid Metal and the extra features you may or may not need call into question the economics of doing so. Krank Distortus Maximus - Funny pedal. It's two ripoffs in one. The first part of this pedal is a part-for-part copy of the old EHX Screaming Bird Treble Booster, and it feeds a part-for-part copy of the freely available DIY pedal, the Smashdrive. They claim it gives the Krank sound in a box, but I don't think they based their amps' sound off of an old treble booster feeding a free DIY pedal. Waste of money. Whatever dirt pedal you get, buy an EQ to go with it (after it)! A Danelectro Fish n' Chips has a lower noise floor than the Boss GE-7 and costs a mere $29.99. It will give you much more control over your distortion sound. Don't worry about it being plastic, I have two on my board and it's very sturdy if you're not a total ogre. Wow! Thanks for the in depth reviews! Looks like I need to look for a Zoom Tri and/or look into the Box of Metal. I'd prefer to get something I can find at any store though. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Agreed Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Damage Control Solid Metal will do what you want. Treble to 3/4, "Scoop" to 1/3 to 1/2, bass to about 1/4 to 1/3. Gain to 3/4, nuclear mode off. You could probably get a respectable early Metallica tone from the Metal Muff, and any GC will have that. Pay attention to the manual, because the EQ is really interactive and the manual explains the different ranges of adjustment it has. You might need to leave the top boost on and at a relatively low setting to cop their earlier tones. Mids about 2/5, which is a slight scoop (active EQ, so 2.5/5 is +/-0db). Bass you might need to attenuate. It's got a lot of gain, and Metallica's early albums really don't have that much by today's standards, so keep the gain on the pedal around noon or so. Thickness and heaviness comes from good tracking, EQ, and modulation in the studio, not from having a highly distorted, overly bassy sound coming out of your amp You gotta start there, though, and if you want to sound like Metallica, of all the options that are reasonable under your criteria (especially the "available in a store" one, which really kills some of your best options in my opinion but so be it) the Metal Muff is your best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Damage Control Solid Metal will do what you want. Treble to 3/4, "Scoop" to 1/3 to 1/2, bass to about 1/4 to 1/3. Gain to 3/4, nuclear mode off. You could probably get a respectable early Metallica tone from the Metal Muff, and any GC will have that. Pay attention to the manual, because the EQ is really interactive and the manual explains the different ranges of adjustment it has. You might need to leave the top boost on and at a relatively low setting to cop their earlier tones. Mids about 2/5, which is a slight scoop (active EQ, so 2.5/5 is +/-0db). Bass you might need to attenuate. It's got a lot of gain, and Metallica's early albums really don't have that much by today's standards, so keep the gain on the pedal around noon or so. Thickness and heaviness comes from good tracking, EQ, and modulation in the studio, not from having a highly distorted, overly bassy sound coming out of your amp You gotta start there, though, and if you want to sound like Metallica, of all the options that are reasonable under your criteria (especially the "available in a store" one, which really kills some of your best options in my opinion but so be it) the Metal Muff is your best bet. Thanks again for the help. The Solid Metal looks really interesting. I'v got some great hi end pedals, Xotic, Hermida, Keeley, Fullone, though I thought I could get away with something cheaper for metal, but I don't want it to suck. I don't want a flabby low end with solid state characteristics. I'll just have to pay some $$ and get a good metal pedal. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members slight-return Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 like you moniker! haven't seen that movie for like {censored} 30 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadRonald Posted March 18, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 like you moniker! haven't seen that movie for like {censored} 30 years Ha! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members the Dust Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Boss Metalcore - Digital masquerading as analog. Not necessarily misleading, but intentionally evil . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bowlingshirt Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 I'm also going to throw out MI Audio Tube Zone or, if you're on a budget, the Rocktron Metal Planet. Running an EQ pedal after the distortion pedal as suggested before is also a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jacek Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 I've been heralding this pedal all over the place, it is amazing. It removed the Demonizer from my pedal board, not an easy feat. The Righteous Tones FANG: I run the gain at half and it crushes already. Amazing note definition too and a great array of EQ controls (bass/high + mid and mid sweep). For $75, I doubt you will get any better. Oh, and did I mention it's true bypass too? for $75??? Built like a tank, all steel... http://righteoustones.com/fang.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Agreed Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 I'll give one of those a shot when I get a bit of free cash. Tight right now... I bet ten bucks it won't move my TM-01 off the board, though (and definitely not my Solid Metal - have you tried that one? The Demonizer doesn't have nearly as much gain and its tone is very different as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jacek Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 My Demonizer is the modded one with Tung-Sol tubes...I liked it a lot, but the FANG is tighter and to be honest, quieter...they are both great, but for now I have my FANG set up so well I just have instant great sound within 5 seconds of powering up the board. I may look at the Solid Metal though...and maybe one of those new AMT tube pedals too. I have the AMT DM-3 and that is quite a monster pedal too...although once again, the FANG beat it on tone and flexibility (especially the EQ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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