Members tim gueguen Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hmmm, did I miss a thread on this gizmo? The obvious question is what the price will be, and whether it will have the same kind reliability problems late model DL4s seem to have. And frankly I think its kinda ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PeelingPaint98 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 And unless you really really desire the internal drum loops or amp sims the EH 2880 totally blows it the {censored} out of the water . . . Line 6 should focus their efforts elsewhere, I don't really see anyone doing better than the 2880 or boomerang 3 should it ever actually be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squareking Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 I got super excited when I saw the title of this thread, but it looks like L6 will take the fail trophy on this one. Do we really need amp models in a looper? Chorus, trem, phaser -- why? No reverse? And it's ugly as sin. When will someone make a mass-production Maneco looper? Gotta agree with paint, the 2880 looks like the end-all, currently. Although I wouldn't mind a true-to-original EHX 16 sec delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tim gueguen Posted March 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 I notice it was mentioned in the recent new Line 6 products thread, which I missed. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PeelingPaint98 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 I notice it was mentioned in the recent new Line 6 products thread, which I missed. Oops. Eh, start a new thread or not, it's not like there's much else going on on tuesday night in HCEF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Looks like it belongs in the dashboard of a Toyota Corolla. Passy pass pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pbone Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Why, Line 6? The DL4 and alike look pretty cool, but now you had to mess around with the {censored}ing knobs and switches and turn it into a toy. It's over between us. Good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 They should have just made a pedal around looping without the drums and amp modeling....bad move. Just a good looper pedal with storage, reverse, maybe delay to choose to delay the loop, etc. The 2880 can't save can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sdresdre Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 They should have just made a pedal around looping without the drums and amp modeling....bad move. Just a good looper pedal with storage, reverse, maybe delay to choose to delay the loop, etc. The 2880 can't save can it? +2`1221`212 WTF is with the cheesy drum {censored}. who uses that IMO its made for kids learning to play guitar..... not a guy looking to loop live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Line 6 has failed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PeelingPaint98 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 The 2880 can't save can it? What do you mean by save? It's loops can be recorded on CF cards, downloaded to computers and you can have 4 loops stored at any given time per CF card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faldoe Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 ehhh, thats cool but not enough. I use the Jamman and you can save 99 loops with that....which is good cause sometimes at band practice I write a riff I don't want to forget so I record it or I put samples and trippy audio loops to play in between songs live.... I need a looper like the jamman but with more sound tweak options and not so much of a tone sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 You'll probably end up keeping the JamMan and just adding another looper to meet whatever needs you're looking for. Every guitarist that gets a looper ends up with 2 or more. That's just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bennintexas Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Looks like it belongs in the dashboard of a Toyota Corolla. Passy pass pass. yeah that would look pretty balla in my corolla, id need it in black though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members desertlimosine Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 You'll probably end up keeping the JamMan and just adding another looper to meet whatever needs you're looking for. Every guitarist that gets a looper ends up with 2 or more. That's just how it is. Exactly. You'll never find the end all features in one looper. Plus having the flexibility to have separate loops that can be manipulated independently is amazing. In my new band, I'm running through some pedals > SMMH > DL4 > EHX 2880 So many different flavors of loopers! That new Line 6 looper looks like it has a bunch of features that I would never use. Too much crammed in that package. Not for me, but I'm sure if it was the first pedal when first starting guitar, it would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sonaboy Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 ...so, ehh.. i don't see the big deal in all of the other issues that people are yelling about.don't like amp sims? there's an "off" mode.don't like phaser before the loop? don't have to use that either.don't need drum patterns? just like the RC20 and RC2, you don't have to use those either, but they're in there. this looks like a great thing for people who want a pedal with positive action switches like the headrush, but want a little more versatility in the design - butalso for people who want the looper of the DL4, but who don't much care for delay modelersandalso for people who write music pieces at home before taking them to band practice. i wouldn't take a {censored} on this thing just yet. oh and the 2880 knob slobbering here is hilarious. I know exactly ONE PERSON in the world who uses it, and since they needed to turn it into an actual PEDAL for live use, they had to buy the footswitch too. That made their looper purchase close to around $600.I predict this Line 6 model will be just under half of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 Exactly. You'll never find the end all features in one looper. Plus having the flexibility to have separate loops that can be manipulated independently is amazing. In my new band, I'm running through some pedals > SMMH > DL4 > EHX 2880So many different flavors of loopers! That's cool. I have a EHX 16-Second Reissue (yeah, it actually records up to 4 min not 16 sec) and I just picked up a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) Plus + Echoplex Footpedal package on sale at Musicians Friend for $600. I've always wanted an EDP for it's unique feature set and now I finally have one. I still have to send in my EHX to get that click removed. My 3rd "looper" is a Cocolase - an 8-oscillator delay that has a life of its own - perfect for experimental/free improv. It acts like a delay with invisible elves or something tweaking it constantly, and will play back something you recorded into it 5 min. ago at random moments.. Hopefully I can get by with just a Y-cable from my mixer FX Send to feed the Cocolase on one side, the Echoplex on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squareking Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 ...so, ehh..i don't see the big deal in all of the other issues that people are yelling about.don't like amp sims? there's an "off" mode.don't like phaser before the loop? don't have to use that either.don't need drum patterns? just like the RC20 and RC2, you don't have to use those either, but they're in there.this looks like a great thing for people who want a pedal with positive action switches like the headrush, but want a little more versatility in the design - butalso for people who want the looper of the DL4, but who don't much care for delay modelersandalso for people who write music pieces at home before taking them to band practice.i wouldn't take a {censored} on this thing just yet. Like most pedals, it's probably good for someone, yeah. But I wouldn't want to buy a pedal where I have to turn 80% of its features off. It seems most loopers are like this today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mlabbee Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 What you need to realize is that they are hitting different markets - the JM4 is pretty obviously NOT intended to be a performance tool like a Boomerang. this is a practice, bedroom noodler tool - thus the amp sims, prerecorded content, headphones, etc. Line 6 does make a couple of performance oriented loopers (DL-4 and the yet to be evaluated M-13) that do leave off all the bells and whistles. It would be nice to see something even more stripped down - i.e., something that's primarily a looper without any modelling, but that's not really what Line 6 does - their business is leveraging their library of effect and amp models . . . stripped down, dedicated performance loopers are avaliable from other manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members test pattern Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 That's cool. I have a EHX 16-Second Reissue (yeah, it actually records up to 4 min not 16 sec) and I just picked up a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) Plus + Echoplex Footpedal package on sale at Musicians Friend for $600. I've always wanted an EDP for it's unique feature set and now I finally have one. I still have to send in my EHX to get that click removed. My 3rd "looper" is a Cocolase - an 8-oscillator delay that has a life of its own - perfect for experimental/free improv. It acts like a delay with invisible elves or something tweaking it constantly, and will play back something you recorded into it 5 min. ago at random moments.. Hopefully I can get by with just a Y-cable from my mixer FX Send to feed the Cocolase on one side, the Echoplex on the other. Thats what I got sans the cocolase (which sounds very intriguing) and I as well have to get the 4 click removed (but its no big deal really since I have the echoplex synced to the 16). What other effects do you run out of curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members desertlimosine Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 That's cool. I have a EHX 16-Second Reissue (yeah, it actually records up to 4 min not 16 sec) and I just picked up a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) Plus + Echoplex Footpedal package on sale at Musicians Friend for $600. I've always wanted an EDP for it's unique feature set and now I finally have one. I still have to send in my EHX to get that click removed. My 3rd "looper" is a Cocolase - an 8-oscillator delay that has a life of its own - perfect for experimental/free improv. It acts like a delay with invisible elves or something tweaking it constantly, and will play back something you recorded into it 5 min. ago at random moments.. Hopefully I can get by with just a Y-cable from my mixer FX Send to feed the Cocolase on one side, the Echoplex on the other. What are your opinions on the Gibson Echoplex? I've been looking at it, and saw that same $600 musicians friend deal. Looks like a cool unit, but I'm unsure of how I would use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PeelingPaint98 Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 oh and the 2880 knob slobbering here is hilarious. I know exactly ONE PERSON in the world who uses it, and since they needed to turn it into an actual PEDAL for live use, they had to buy the footswitch too. That made their looper purchase close to around $600. I predict this Line 6 model will be just under half of that. Well apparently the ONE PERSON you know is full of fail as I paid just over $300 for the 2880 and footswitch, the line 6 is full of uselessness just for the fact that it's mono input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted March 19, 2008 Members Share Posted March 19, 2008 What are your opinions on the Gibson Echoplex? I've been looking at it, and saw that same $600 musicians friend deal. Looks like a cool unit, but I'm unsure of how I would use it. This guy's work is the reason I wanted one for years: http://www.altruistmusic.com/ Check out his Echoplex Analysis pages, which explain how he evolved his looper approach from the more Fripp-like ambient stuff to "turntablist guitar". In his words: Branching off from that replace concept, there's often very little looping of entire phrases as they're originally played on the guitar, which is an approach that comes largely from the turntablist school of thought. Rather than just spinning a record verbatim, turntablism uses the actual mechanical elements of a turntable, stylus, and mixer to shape and sculpt the sound itself. It's not about playing back the record the way it originally sounded, but about imposing the playback mechanism itself onto the original sound. If you think of the guitar as the record and the EDP as the turntable/mixer, then you've cracked the code of what's going on here. The EDP seems uniquely designed for this kind of stuff. Here's one of his audio examples: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/skin.mp3 In the band, I'd use it to loop some simple lines - nothing too crazy. For simple song-oriented looping, newer loopers have a lot more record time. Solo, I want to do turntablist cello, maybe even do the same treatment to cello and guitar with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsf1977 Posted March 24, 2008 Members Share Posted March 24, 2008 The thing that interests me is being able to play CD quality stereo clips at your feat so you can play sound byte intros and what not... are there any devices that do this in stereo that can be foot controlled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 i dont like the sc card thing, id rather have a usb like on the jamman, just to dump them into my lappie. that said, i dont have a card reader, so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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