Members Stspider Posted March 20, 2008 Members Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hi guys, I have a question about my rig.. First of all I have a couple of stomps that only work well if they DON'T have a buffered pedal before them. All of these pedals work great and are useful to me, so i can't take them out of my rig. I'm also a happy whammy 4 user. I don't mind it being a buffered pedal, but I can't use if effectively with these 2 dirtboxes because it's after them and the effect sucks. If I put the wh-4 in a tbp loop (like btbam's) in can put it in my rig before these stomps, but as I activate the whammy (or better deactivate the loop) their sound will change (for bad) because they'll have a buffered pedal first of them, right? Is there something I can put between the whammy and these "snob" stomps in order to have them work properly even if there's a buffered pedal in front of them? Or do I have to get a damn whammy 1 and make it tbp to solve my problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aksman Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I made it, and I want to say yes, when the whammy's on, you'll still get tone suck effecting the other pedals, because the signal will be going through the whammy. Aside from the tone change, it'll all work fine... whammy 4 or whammy 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crowquill Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 just put the whammy after those FX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I know, but it doesn't work properly if he processes an already distorted signal. Plus, I'd like to put my overdrive/booster first before ALL my dirts, and if I do so and put the Whammy after them it won't sound properly when used with the amp and the overdrive/booster. One solution is to put it first right after the wah and don't use it with and of those "picky" pedals, but I wonder if there's some device to put after it so it works properly wiht these picky pedals that don't like a buffered pedal in front. Otherwise to have everything working properly I'd have to get a WH-1 and I'm no mood to spend that much cash for something I basically already own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jorhay1 Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 Voodoo Labs Pedal Switcher with optional Commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jbrazz Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 just put it in front. it will solve all your problems. it solved mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 No, I can't, it messes un two pedals of mine which work like {censored} with a buffered pedal in front. I'll check the voodoo lab's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 The voodoo labs look like a TBP strip..interesting, but I don't need that. I just need something that allows me to put my Whammy IN FRONT of pedals that don't like buffered pedals and use it effectively WITH THESE pedals without changing the way they sound when I turn the whammy on (like it would happen if I put the whammy in a simple tbp looper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Turd Furgison Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 i thought the purpose of turning on a whammy was to get {censored}ed up sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aksman Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I have no clue what to say except maybe placing another sort of buffer (i'll make up the term anti-buffer???) before the whammy/or in the same loop as it??? maybe to "reverse" the effect that the buffer has... otherwise, you wont be able to change how the whammy reacts when there's a signal going through it. Ever consider other pedals with "whammy" functions? my gsystem rocks, and the EHX HOG is supposed to have a pretty damn good whammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 The way your describing it, I don't think there's any other option. When the Whammy is on, it is going to do its thing whether you want that buffer in there or not. Personally, I would look for less picky dirt pedals... it'd probably be cheaper to acquire than getting a TB Whammy I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I' m afraid you're right. Or I can do the looper (like btbam's) mod and accept that I can't use it with these picky pedals. I kinda hoped there was some sort of "anti buffer" or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 Ever consider other pedals with "whammy" functions? my gsystem rocks, and the EHX HOG is supposed to have a pretty damn good whammy. That is a possible way to go, but the whammy is so simple to use with the expression pedal and it has pretty much all the stupid features I need in that kind of department.. I'd need something which can at least go un octave up, one down and add an octave up or down with a foot controller.. - I' m starting to lok at the Hog..looks interesting (altough pricey and you also have to buy an expression pedal..) but I can't see properly how everything works.. Can you have at your disposal let's say....one octave up controllable with exp, one octave down with exp, one added octave up, one added octave up and one added fifth up without having to kneel down and tweak the pedal at gigs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cdawzrd Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I' m afraid you're right. Or I can do the looper (like btbam's) mod and accept that I can't use it with these picky pedals. I kinda hoped there was some sort of "anti buffer" or something Nope. Sorry. Honestly, get different dirt pedals. No pitch shifter will act like a transparent true-bypass pedal when it's on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aksman Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 That is a possible way to go, but the whammy is so simple to use with the expression pedal and it has pretty much all the stupid features I need in that kind of department..I'd need something which can at least go un octave up, one down and add an octave up or down with a foot controller..- I' m starting to lok at the Hog..looks interesting (altough pricey and you also have to buy an expression pedal..) but I can't see properly how everything works..Can you have at your disposal let's say....one octave up controllable with exp, one octave down with exp, one added octave up, one added octave up and one added fifth up without having to kneel down and tweak the pedal at gigs? HAHAHA... NO! and that's why I kinda miss my whammy... i actually used it as a chorus pedal too (the detune was my 2nd favorite chorus sound, next to the boss ce-5). ALSO, please note that the way I built the bypass box for BTBAM allowed enough space for it to fit directly over the bypass switch on the whammy. and if using george-l cables, it had no overhang, and it looked really sweet (see the pics in my signature). However, drilling that big of a hole in the back cover of the Medusa Box was a pain, and I think it works better where he's got it positioned anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stspider Posted March 27, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 27, 2008 The point is, with all it's problems, the Whammy is well tought and very versatile, and if you want those weird sounds you have to live with it I guess.. I'll end up getting a "normal" looper then probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members harbong Posted March 27, 2008 Members Share Posted March 27, 2008 I had the same problem with my whammy 4. Before my woolly mammoth it made the WM sound sterile and slightly gated, so I kept it in a TBP loop. What was weird was I sort of like the variation in the WM's tone (but not near as much as the straight WM), so sometimes I'd simply kick on the TBP loop with nothing on in it to change things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted March 27, 2008 Members Share Posted March 27, 2008 Jack White puts a Whammy before a big muff. There are so many reasons why that shouldn't sound good, but it does. How exactly does the whammy make the pedals sound bad? If it's a squealing noise then we have a problem, if it's just a volume drop or tone loss, well you can fix those things in so many ways .. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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