Members lukin Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 My SMM/H arrived today. I have only had about 30 minutes to play around with it but so far I really like it. This is the first delay pedal I have used infront of my amp (Only used the delays on gearbox through the toneport before). I really like the reverse echo and the looping is alot of fun. The modulation (flanger/chorus/pitch shift delays) is fairly decent although I think I would prefer dedicated modulation stomp boxes. The general 1 second and 3 second echos also sound great and you can add some nice reverb to the effect. I recorded some short clips of my first 10 mins or so mucking around with the looper and some of the delay settings. The quality is pretty bad, it is just the video recorder on my phone. Same settings:http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6397268 Changed settings part way through:http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6397274 It would be nice if it had some more delay options like the Eventide Timefactor but it does some great stuff for only just over half the price. I think I might look into the Timefactor for my next delay though. EDIT: Forgot to mention I may have used my wah pedal at some stage in the above recordings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thezeng Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 i suggest you get a nice analog delay Edit: next, that is. not instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobster Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 Yeah. I pretty much only use the reverse echo and loops since I get my DMM. Glad you enjoy it. It'll stay on my board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukin Posted March 25, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 i suggest you get a nice analog delay Yeah. I pretty much only use the reverse echo and loops since I get my DMM. Glad you enjoy it. It'll stay on my board. That would make a very nice combo having both the SMM/H and an analog delay like the DMM. I particularly like the choice of vibrato modulation on the DMM. Some tape flutter style delay would be great too though which will get very expensive going down the analog direction... Presets would also make live easier when gigging. I want to get a few other pedals first but i'll look into both options later on when I look to get some more delay sounds. For now the SMM/H gives me so many possibilities I never had before. It may even be perfect with some dedicated/multi-effect modulation pedals and I won't be wanting to worry about some more delay sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thezeng Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 trust me -- once you start delays its very hard to stop. i got 2 analog delays - DMM and Freakshow Digilog and the SMMH. im looking to get teh Subdecay EB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobster Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 Is the Freakshow Digilog really good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 It's a BYOC delay with this mod for the oscillation footswitch (a verified BYOC mod openly available at their forum): It's a good sounding circuit for sure, but it is NOT analogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobster Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 Yeah I didn't think it was analog. Looks quite cool though. Sweet paintjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JorisBlack Posted March 25, 2008 Members Share Posted March 25, 2008 Nice clips, very ambient! Here are my clips : www.soundclick.com/ehxsmmwithhazarai I like my smmh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukin Posted March 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 I was thinking today about the one delay sound that the SMMH is missing that I like alot. I think it is a sound reminicent of tape/tube echos which have a very fluttering sound. Rather then finding another delay I was thinking maybe just putting an EHX Clone theory or something with very warbly vibrato or something might make it sound very much like that. Has any one tried something like this? Edit: Something maybe like this (But better quality effects) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=6400832 Thats the guitar (nothing spesh - my old guitar) -> Looper -> Toneport (Added tube echo or something) I didn't actually use echo in that but when I get it out again I just just record a standard echo and apply some modulation to it with amplitube or gear box or something if I can find a fluttery sort of effect. Are there any vibratos you recommend on their own? The clone theory is probably a bit of a waste since the SMMH does chorus fairly nicely. A vibrato / Tremelo would be really cool. Nice clips, very ambient! Thanks! Actually one of the cool things is it started out as just a chord progression with the intension of reverse delay to be put on top for a slightly atmospheric sound but not too crazy... however then I found all the cool stuff you could do with the loops I wonder if you can do that with other loopers like the DL4, boss RC-20, Eventide Timefactor? Here are my clips : www.soundclick.com/ehxsmmwithhazarai I like my smmh I think I am going to have to muck around with the 3 second delay and the modulation a bit more today. Some cool sounds you have recorded there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 Not exactly the same thing, but I've tried running a vibrato after it to get a little closer to the sound of a DMM (except I set my filter to be more digital than analogue sounding, as I find the DMM a little muddy for my tastes) and it sounds great. The only issue is you're affecting the whole sound rather than just the repeats, but as I have my repeats quite high in the mix, you'd struggle to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 I had a vintage Clone Theory which is the best vibrato I've used, though it was very noisy. The Line 6 Space Chorus is the next best thing I've tried - fantastic vibrato mode and even has tap tempo.. Steer clear of the Marshall Vibratrem, the vibrato side of it is awful and 'clicky', for want of a better description. I'm currently using the Magicstomp for vibrato sounds and reverb, which is excellent, but I'm selling it off very soon so will look to build a VB-2 clone at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 you can't get vibrato out of it because you can't control the speed of the modulation, only the depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukin Posted March 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 Sorry accidently deleted my post instead of editing (Should be above Chuck's post): In the modulation section I just realised theres some pitch shift stuff going on there so I might be able to tailor a bit of a vibrato type thing. I probably just need to muck around with the settings a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members garyfanclub Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 It seems to me that the 300ms + mod mode sounds more like a flanger than a DMM's vibrato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 The control of the modulation in that mode is odd to say the least. at some settings it sounds flangey, at other more like a chorus. you can't set the speed at all, and at the furthest settings it does some pitch shifting weirdness which I personally think sounds {censored}. It's probably un unpopular opinion, but that mode is by far my least favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukin Posted March 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 The thing I don't like about the modulation setting is the fact that there are quite a number of options in there but only one preset. I can see the pitch shift thing perhaps being used if controlled right during a song for texturising stuff. The flanger sound I am not so sure about, I have never really been a fan of flanger. The chorusy sound is hard to dial in I think but does sound alright. I think the trick was to keep the blend down but I can't really remember the rest. Sorry I know that doesn't help Theres another weird kinda sound I came accross in the modulation. It sounds a bit like gverb in audacity I think. Not really usuable for me. I think they could have perhaps tried to make the modulation a bit more like the DMM and easier to dial in, or at least another setting to choose with modulation more like that. That said theres still some good sounds in the modulation setting, it just takes a lot of tweaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukin Posted March 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 What do people think about the reverse delay / looping on the SMM/H in comparison to other pedals such as the Boss DD-20, Line 6 DL-4, Eventide Timefactor? I'm starting to think since these are my favourite settings I might be better off with another delay that does more (ie., tape echo simulation, better modulation) so long as it does reverse delay. I guess I could get a seperate looper or if the looper is good enough live with it. I know the Boss DD-20 has a 24 second looper which isn't far off the SMMH. I am not sure if you can reverse / speed up the delays on the fly though? Would there be any other advantages with the SMMH? The reverberant echos are kinda cool, can you do that with the other delays out there? Don't get me wrong, its a nice delay but I am starting to think especially since hte looper will be hard to use live that there might be options that provide me with more for not much extra cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobster Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 The control of the modulation in that mode is odd to say the least. at some settings it sounds flangey, at other more like a chorus. you can't set the speed at all, and at the furthest settings it does some pitch shifting weirdness which I personally think sounds {censored}.It's probably un unpopular opinion, but that mode is by far my least favourite. Yeah. I would probably agree. I just have that mode set up for a flanger, and stored it for a preset. I have one set up for reverb, one for flanger, one for a normal long ish delay, the other for reverse, and I don't use the other ones that crescendo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobster Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 What do people think about the reverse delay / looping on the SMM/H in comparison to other pedals such as the Boss DD-20, Line 6 DL-4, Eventide Timefactor?I'm starting to think since these are my favourite settings I might be better off with another delay that does more (ie., tape echo simulation, better modulation) so long as it does reverse delay. I guess I could get a seperate looper or if the looper is good enough live with it. I know the Boss DD-20 has a 24 second looper which isn't far off the SMMH. I am not sure if you can reverse / speed up the delays on the fly though?Would there be any other advantages with the SMMH? The reverberant echos are kinda cool, can you do that with the other delays out there?Don't get me wrong, its a nice delay but I am starting to think especially since hte looper will be hard to use live that there might be options that provide me with more for not much extra cost. I agree. I like the looper on it enough for using at home, but if you want to do anything in a band situation, it's a real pain in the ass. I'm gonna get an RC-20xl just for looping soon. I think the reverse delay on the SMMh sounds great. Probably my favourite sound on it. Very cool for ambient type sounds. I like how you can blend it in with the dry signal. I also just use one preset as a reverb. All in all it's very versatile and worth having, for sure. The modulation as Chuck Norris said is a bit limited in it's tweaking capabilities. I'll leave it on my board for reverse and reverb sounds. I use my DMM for delays though really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JorisBlack Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yeah. I would probably agree. I just have that mode set up for a flanger, and stored it for a preset. I have one set up for reverb, one for flanger, one for a normal long ish delay, the other for reverse, and I don't use the other ones that crescendo. about my presets too : reverb, delay with some reverb on the delays, flanger, multiple reverse echo, and I don't use the multitaps much really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 I really really love the delays on it, there are so many unusual sounds to be had. All in all, I love this thing, but it's so frustrating at times.... to me, it should have had the option to store any presets you like rather than just one per mode, it should have had capabilities to tap in dotted 8ths etc, and it should have had an expression pedal input. Still, there are some sounds in it that you just cannot get anywhere else, and it's very versatile..... but it leaves me wanting something a little more 'normal' to use as a main delay, keeping this for the reverbs, loops and mad stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobster Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yup. That's exactly why I got the DMM. The DMM has a totally addictive quality. You could look at getting a DD-7 when it comes out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChuckNorris1982 Posted March 26, 2008 Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 Nah, I want another DD-20. That's what I'm selling my Magicstomp to fund. The Nova delay looks really really tempting, but I'd like the option of using an expression pedal too, so it's gotta be the DD-20. if I was getting a single pedal it'd be an Echo park - way better features than the Boss DD5/6/7 for cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lukin Posted March 26, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hmm DD-20 has 11 delay models and is the same price as the SMMH. I might check it out too. I wonder how it compares to the Eventide Timefactor... Does anyone know if there are any vst plug-ins or computer tools to easily manipulate single and/or multiple tracks in the same way as the looper on the SMMH? So basically being able to reverse, change pitch, speed etc. in real time using dials, sliders or something similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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