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proselytism? inculcation? Maybe the latter ... proselytism doesn't
necessarily
carry a negative connotation (although in this context it might).


How's that for some $1K words?
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Nope, it had to do specifically with indoctrinating children.

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Big news story in Wisconsin today about a family up north that had a daughter die. She had diabetis and the family opted against meidcal care in favor of prayer healing.


It is sad... but people should have the right to choose medical care, but was it in the best interests for the daughter to take this path? Should teh parents have put aside perosnal beliefs to amke sure their daughter would live? Big murky area for debate.


I just hope that teh doctor who made teh diagnosis in teh first place was abel to have an open dialog about respecting their choice, but also presenting the options of different treatent paths...

 

 

That's not a "murky area for debate". That's negligent homicide.

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Brainwashing

 

That's the word your looking for. They want children to take what they say for truth and all of the care and attention to detail given these exhibits to be a fallacy made up by Jesus hating scientists. This should be obvious to most adults with any education that these people are full of warm dung, but brainwashing children so you can further your right wing fascist religion is criminal activity. This should be examined by the government except these wackos are being appointed to judgeships and public office by higher ups that know that this type of idiot can be used to get something done that takes a moron to do. Take for instance that George Bush was appointed by an electoral college after he was rejected by the voters at large and this moron has been used by the inner circle as a sheild of stupidity against the criminal activities our own government is involved in.

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I will.


I've stopped trying to try to convince creationists that (censored to keep flames down), etc.
;)
my current mentality is "I hate that they teach new generations these age-old myths but they're fully within their rights to do so. free-speech and all, when I'm pro for".


so let them continue teaching the small ones, it makes them happy right? they're perfectly allowed to use antibioticts, gene therape, the internet, automobiles and DVDs, while dismissing almost entirely other modern science because it directly contradicts a 2000 year-old book. let them be happy, because in the end I think happyness would be better for all of us. one thing I wish they woudl stop doing though is pushing their influence too far in politics and in general into others who don't abide by the same religion.


I'm not bashing religion in the purest form. I have no beef with someone who wants to believe in God. but please, let the others of us trying to improve our way of life (ie stem-cells). and if you absolutelly must start wars, leave religious reasoning way out of it.
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Basically said what i would have said to the fullest.

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I think there should be a fundie genocide....:idea:

Normal Christians who like the idea of heaven and think that doing good to other people and all the stuff that Jesus supposedly said... they're fine. My grandmother works with her church and she's pretty faith-y, but she's smart enough to back science/evolution and thinks fundies are idiots. People like her are fine to keep around. They're not hurting anyone....

However, these people who are intentionally trying to hold back society really should be shipped off to special "facilities" and either incinerated or gassed and then burned. To them, they'll be "martyrs for Jesus" and can enjoy eternity in heaven while we blasphemers destroy ourselfs.... and to us, we'll just be free from their bull{censored}.

...too much?:confused:

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Brainwashing


That's the word your looking for. They want children to take what they say for truth and all of the care and attention to detail given these exhibits to be a fallacy made up by Jesus hating scientists. This should be obvious to most adults with any education that these people are full of warm dung, but brainwashing children so you can further your right wing fascist religion is criminal activity. This should be examined by the government except these wackos are being appointed to judgeships and public office by higher ups that know that this type of idiot can be used to get something done that takes a moron to do. Take for instance that George Bush was appointed by an electoral college after he was rejected by the voters at large and this moron has been used by the inner circle as a sheild of stupidity against the criminal activities our own government is involved in .

 

 

Now who is trying to brainwash who? These threads are never a good idea.

 

I think the new Korg bypass tuner is a communist plot.

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Science once claimed that the earth was flat. Then it was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around it.


Science can be wrong, that's why they use the word "theory".


Personally, I think we're all aliens.

 

 

"Science" has never "claimed" anything. Science is a process, not an entity.

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Splitting hairs now? Ok, you might have a small point. Insert "Popular scientific belief" in for "Science" in my post.

 

 

I'm not splitting hairs. You obviously don't understand what science is, on a fundamental level. "Popular scientific belief"? There's no such thing as a "scientific belief", popular, or otherwise.

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Science once claimed that the earth was flat. Then it was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around it.


Science can be wrong, that's why they use the word "theory".


 

 

If the science back then looked at all the evidence and applied itself logically and decided the earth was flat, then the science back then wasn't wrong. It was only through new scientific discoveries that the Earth was found to be round and rotated around the Sun. Scientific evolution rendered previous ideas obsolete. Scientific limitations led peopel to believe the earth was flat.

 

The science we believe in right now may be proven wrong in one hundred years time due to new discoveries, new technologies and new realisations. An awful lot of science is educated guesswork, conclusions arrived at through interpretation of data and the creation of theories.

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Science once claimed that the earth was flat. Then it was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around it.


Science can be wrong, that's why they use the word "theory".



you need to do a bit of reading, :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_mythology

most "scientists" have known the world is spherical since the third century bc

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Ptolemy of Egypt experimented and calculated that the earth was round and actually, for the lack of knowledge at the time, came up with a fairly accurate estimation of its circumference.

Unfortunately, that knowledge (along with God knows what else that is lost forever) barely survived the coming of the Dark ages and the growth of the church.

There were some educated people who knew the earth was round but dare not advertise that knowledge for fear of being burned at the stake.

The argument was that the earth couldn't be round because the creatures in the southern hemisphere would have to have their feet over their heads (or something like that) and no such creature was mentioned in the bible. These creatures were known as:

antipodes

1398, from L. antipodes "those who dwell on the opposite side of the earth," from Gk. antipodes, pl. of antipous "with feet opposite ours," from anti- "opposite" + pous "foot" (see foot), thus people who live on the opposite side of the world. Not to be confused with antiscii "those who live on the same meridian on opposite side of the equator," whose shadows fall at noon in the opposite direction, from Gk. anti- + skia "shadow."

If you believed in a round earth, you could be charged by the clerical courts for "belief in antipodes" which was apostasy and could get you burned alive at the stake.

Nice, huh?

These people are just like that. But please folks, I'm a Christian too and I, like so many more Christians, am nothing like these fools. Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush.

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Weren't the dark ages a western european era? And the thought that the whole world went 'tard', a very eurocentric position.

Didn't science continued to advance in the Middle East/Persian Empires (splitting of the atom, etc), Byzantine Empire, Maya/Aztec Empires, etc?

just asking.

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Ptolemy of Egypt experimented and calculated that the earth was round and actually, for the lack of knowledge at the time, came up with a fairly accurate estimation of its circumference.


Unfortunately, that knowledge (along with God knows what else that is lost forever) barely survived the coming of the Dark ages and the growth of the church.


There were some educated people who knew the earth was round but dare not advertise that knowledge for fear of being burned at the stake.


The argument was that the earth couldn't be round because the creatures in the southern hemisphere would have to have their feet over their heads (or something like that) and no such creature was mentioned in the bible. These creatures were known as:


antipodes


1398, from L. antipodes "those who dwell on the opposite side of the earth," from Gk. antipodes, pl. of antipous "with feet opposite ours," from anti- "opposite" + pous "foot" (see foot), thus people who live on the opposite side of the world. Not to be confused with antiscii "those who live on the same meridian on opposite side of the equator," whose shadows fall at noon in the opposite direction, from Gk. anti- + skia "shadow."


If you believed in a round earth, you could be charged by the clerical courts for "belief in antipodes" which was apostasy and could get you burned alive at the stake.


Nice, huh?


These people are just like that. But please folks, I'm a Christian too and I, like so many more Christians, am nothing like these fools. Please don't paint all Christians with the same brush.

 

 

I know this guy who I went to school with, he's a neo-nazi skinhead, he seems nice enough, always says hello to me and always maintained that he 'wasn't like the others' 'wouldn't do any to harm anyone without reason' etc etc, but that fact of the matter is, underneath he is still a facist and a supporter of national socialism.....deep down he has beliefs that are totally opposed to mine and I find that hard to deal with. Not because he has different views, I have no problem with individual thought and opinion, but because the views he has totally sicken me.

 

it's kind of hard not to paint people with the same brush when they choose of thier own freewill to accociate themselves with particular groups. I don't subscibe to any organisation, be that political, religious or social and if someone chooses to, then they must accept that they will be seen as a part of that group. If you don't want to be assosiated with these people, why call yourself a christian?

 

pease don't take this as an attack, I'm just trying to explain why people do 'paint people with the same brush' it's because you choose to be in the picture they are painting with it.

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I'm not splitting hairs. You obviously don't understand what science
is
, on a fundamental level. "Popular scientific belief"? There's no such thing as a "scientific belief", popular, or otherwise.

 

 

Very presumptuous of you. It's very easy to judge people as "ignorant" when you don't agree with them. It takes the whole proving a point thing off the table. Not very scientific of you, if I might venture.

 

I use the term "belief" because many scientific theorys require a certain amount of "belief" because the science doesn't exist yet to prove the theory. Global warming for example.

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Very presumptuous of you. It's very easy to judge people as "ignorant" when you don't agree with them. It takes the whole proving a point thing off the table. Not very scientific of you, if I might venture.


I use the term "belief" because many scientific theorys require a certain amount of "belief" because the science doesn't exist yet to prove the theory. Global warming for example.



Could you explain the "Theory of Global Warming" to us, and explain what about it is flawed, including any problems with the methodology of the various experimental models, and why it wasn't corrected upon peer review?:lol:

"Belief" is not a part of science, no matter how badly you want it to be.

It's very easy to judge people as "ignorant" when they display ignorance. That much is established. After that, it's just a matter of whether the ignorance is stubbornly willful, or not.

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That's a good point about the church fighting science throughout history. It's a sad fact....

But as I said earlier, and other have said since, not all Christians are nuts. A lot of them just have their faith and believe what they believe while still having a foot in the basis of scientific reality.

The Fundamentalists are the dangerous ones in any religion. Christian fundies are as bad as the islamic suicide bombers.

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I use the term "belief" because many scientific theorys require a certain amount of "belief" because the science doesn't exist yet to prove the theory. Global warming for example.



What ???

Even George W. Gump has finally caught up with the rest of the world & accepted the overwhelming scientific proof that global warming is happening. Not that he's going to do much about it, cause hey what's the point, why worry about it, afterall when we die we're all off to live on gods big fluffy cloud up in the sky for all eternity, where there'll be none of those nasty things to worry about ... except that's not going to happen is it because it's all made up. :mad:

Wake up, look around you, hey you might even wanna read, watch the news or the odd documentary occasionally. Global warming is happening and it's happening now. This is not belief it is fact.

The answers to the problem of global warming will not be found in church or through prayer, they will be found through science.

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