Members g400man Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Yeah, just wondering, I got my HBE Germania 44 treble booster and was just wondering, my house right now feels like 65 degrees sometimes and I know that germanium effects get affected by varying temperatures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SUPER VELCROBOY Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Yeah, just wondering, I got my HBE Germania 44 treble booster and was just wondering, my house right now feels like 65 degrees sometimes and I know that germanium effects get affected by varying temperatures i can't answer your question, but i have a proposal for you. You should record the hbe at different temperatures. Say it's 65, record. Then up the thermostat to 70, let it sit. Then record. Up the temp to 75, then let it sit and record. Again at 80, 85 and 90 degrees. You can also leave your hbe in the frig Come back to us with your report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OldCrankyDouche Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Sounds like the heat bill is about to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members junior4 Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 i can't answer your question, but i have a proposal for you. You should record the hbe at different temperatures. Say it's 65, record. Then up the thermostat to 70, let it sit. Then record. Up the temp to 75, then let it sit and record. Again at 80, 85 and 90 degrees. You can also leave your hbe in the frig Come back to us with your report thats a really good idea...if you do do this i'm curious to hear the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members frankiej Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 does the temp really affect the sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kyrreca Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Eric Johnson keeps his Fuzz Face in a tank of liquid nitrogen to get "that" tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aaland_brian Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Your at pretty much the optimal temp at 65-70 degrees, you would have to go about 20 degrees either way to see a big difference. If you get over about 85degrees the fuzz gets weaker and really gates early. This is just my observations with my fuzz faces and tone benders. I remember reading stories about caesar diaz putting SRV fuzzface in the freezer while they did some recording to cool of the transistors. I think the bias pots on the newer clones take care of a lot of this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wood Chuck Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Yeah, just wondering, I got my HBE Germania 44 treble booster and was just wondering, my house right now feels like 65 degrees sometimes and I know that germanium effects get affected by varying temperatures They do not do well in hot weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jake.lind Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 does the temp really affect the sound? Yep, the gain on germanium transistors shoots through the roof when heat is applied. This make fuzz faces cut off the sustain of a note and sound really, really grainy. I'm not sure what it does to treble boosters, but I imagine it does the same thing. As for the optimum temperature for a germanium device, it's the temperature it was originally biased at, give or take a couple of degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CicadaSilence Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 In before pedalboards with space heaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Poltergeist Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Germanium fuzzes sound better when set on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bruno Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 Germanium fuzzes sound better when set on fire. Really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Arrow_Dann Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 lololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 unless you are in the desert and your pedalboard sits out in the sun constantly or you set it on fire, you are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dangerous dan Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 You need to find the optimum temperature to give best gain (i.e. sweetest tome) and breakdown voltage (sweetest clipping) of germanium for its specific bandgap for the transistor used. Generally colder = more gain, but that can be harsh with too much gain. So find the sweet spot range of temperatures. The you'll just need to take a 2510 to the gigs to control this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tetaJ Posted March 30, 2008 Members Share Posted March 30, 2008 now i can die in peace, i've seen, heard , read it all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g400man Posted April 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 hey so I stuck it in my freezer for about 15 minutes and got the metal housing pretty cold, to the point where you actually couldnt hold it, it was pretty cold. and noticed it was so to say maybe a tad less fizzy sounding, though as it warmed up after 45 minutes I never a change. maybe ill conduct another experiment, Ill hold it up to my blowdrier on hot and on max for ten minutes and get it hot and then see a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Fatso Forgottso Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 this is soooo EJ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 hey so I stuck it in my freezer for about 15 minutes and got the metal housing pretty cold, to the point where you actually couldnt hold it, it was pretty cold. and noticed it was so to say maybe a tad less fizzy sounding, though as it warmed up after 45 minutes I never a change.maybe ill conduct another experiment, Ill hold it up to my blowdrier on hot and on max for ten minutes and get it hot and then see a difference. are you {censored}ing kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amp_surgeon Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 Ah, the sweet aroma of fine vintage corkage. C'est magnifique! The ambient temperature range for a germanium diode is around +/- 80 degrees centigrade. Max reverse voltage DOES degrade with elevated temperatures, but if you can hear the difference in any room in which YOU can stand the temperature, then your ears are better than my beagle's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 bagels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members g400man Posted April 6, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 are you {censored}ing kidding me? nope, not kidding, popped it in the freezer and then took it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 nope, not kidding, popped it in the freezer and then took it out you do realize you can ruin your pedal that way? you know when you leave a cold glass of water sitting on a table and water condensates on the outside of it? guess whats happening inside your pedal when you take it out of the freezer and it warms up. OOPS. you have officially made it as an inside joke at the shop. if someone says or does something stupid, we say "Go take your fuzz face out of the freezer." DO NOT put pedals in the freezer. there is nothing good that will ever come of it, and the possibility that you could {censored} your pedal up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pbone Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 Yep, the gain on germanium transistors shoots through the roof when heat is applied. This make fuzz faces cut off the sustain of a note and sound really, really grainy. I'm not sure what it does to treble boosters, but I imagine it does the same thing. As for the optimum temperature for a germanium device, it's the temperature it was originally biased at, give or take a couple of degrees Well, that explains a lot for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thatmullingskid Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 so if i read this thread right.... colder = more gain.... warmer = more gain.... I need a fridge and an oven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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