Members TornadoOfSouls Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Convince me to buy one over the other. Right now I'm leaning Eclipse purely because of sampling rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kevinsaari Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 I'd go with the Eclipse if I had the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kassanova Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Why not consider an Axe-FX?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NITEFLY182 Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 The wait for an Axe-fx is about 10 months. You could buy an Eclipse tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TornadoOfSouls Posted April 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Give me some reasons folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members murch33 Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Because Eventide makes awesome rack gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kassanova Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Well, if pitch-shifting is important to you, there's nothing better than Eventide. NOTHING. You can pitch shift chords. You can run four parallel delays. The Eclipse kicks major butt, especially in the delay, pitch-shifting and modulation department. I have nothing against T.C. I'm just a bit more familiar with Eventide and their sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TornadoOfSouls Posted April 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mindglow Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 I would go for Eventide....have a dsp7000 myself and it sound pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IvIark Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 I've got both an Eclipse and a G-Force and it's a toughy because they're both good for different things and neither has an out and out advantage because of it. The Eclipse really shines as you may expect for its pitch shifters and harmonizers although the G-Force is no slouch either. I find the Eclipse sounds maybe the most natural but the G-Force tracks marginally better. I prefer delays in the Eclipse, I just love Eventide delay. Again you can still get very good delays out of the G-Force but the 1.7(ish) second limit is a bit stingy by todays standards. I much prefer reverb in the G-Force. The Eclipse is OK - better than the DSP4000 - not as good as the H7600 - but still not what I would call great reverb. The G-Force reverb is just effortless. The algorithms are simple to setup, very intuitive and difficult to get a bad sound out of. The way the reverbs are setup is great giving the decay names such as "warm", "bright", "clear" etc rather than just a numerical value. It's just great sounding and user friendly. Modulation is a mixed bag. Some I prefer in the Eclipse, others in the G-Force, but both are very good IMO. I dislike both AD/DA converters and run them in parallel with each other in a parallel loop. When I run either processors with a 50/50 wet dry mix I feel my overall tone is degraded so I make a point of running all my effects wet only. Some people have commented that the G-Force coverters are sterile sounding and the Eclipse is too dark and I would sort of agree with both statements to a certain extent, but feel you can get the very best out of them both by NOT running your dry signal through them, which makes it a moot point for me. In terms of the number of effects you can use simultaneously, the G-Force is the winner hands down. In terms of routability of effects - G-Force, in terms of controlability - G-Force. Ease of use - G-Force. The Eclipse isn't even close for these areas. I love both processors and I think they make ideal bedmates. But if I was pushed and could only have one it would be the G-Force because if I weigh up all the pros and cons of each, the G-Force ticks more boxes. Both great processors though and I'd be surprised if you were disappointed with either. If you do intend to use it with a wet/dry mix, I'd strongly recommend hearing them both first to see how you feel about the converters of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TornadoOfSouls Posted April 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 I've got both an Eclipse and a G-Force and it's a toughy because they're both good for different things and neither has an out and out advantage because of it.The Eclipse really shines as you may expect for its pitch shifters and harmonizers although the G-Force is no slouch either. I find the Eclipse sounds maybe the most natural but the G-Force tracks marginally better. I prefer delays in the Eclipse, I just love Eventide delay. Again you can still get very good delays out of the G-Force but the 1.7(ish) second limit is a bit stingy by todays standards.I much prefer reverb in the G-Force. The Eclipse is OK - better than the DSP4000 - not as good as the H7600 - but still not what I would call great reverb. The G-Force reverb is just effortless. The algorithms are simple to setup, very intuitive and difficult to get a bad sound out of. The way the reverbs are setup is great giving the decay names such as "warm", "bright", "clear" etc rather than just a numerical value. It's just great sounding and user friendly.Modulation is a mixed bag. Some I prefer in the Eclipse, others in the G-Force, but both are very good IMO. I dislike both AD/DA converters and run them in parallel with each other in a parallel loop. When I run either processors with a 50/50 wet dry mix I feel my overall tone is degraded so I make a point of running all my effects wet only.Some people have commented that the G-Force coverters are sterile sounding and the Eclipse is too dark and I would sort of agree with both statements to a certain extent, but feel you can get the very best out of them both by NOT running your dry signal through them, which makes it a moot point for me. In terms of the number of effects you can use simultaneously, the G-Force is the winner hands down. In terms of routability of effects - G-Force, in terms of controlability - G-Force. Ease of use - G-Force. The Eclipse isn't even close for these areas.I love both processors and I think they make ideal bedmates. But if I was pushed and could only have one it would be the G-Force because if I weigh up all the pros and cons of each, the G-Force ticks more boxes.Both great processors though and I'd be surprised if you were disappointed with either. If you do intend to use it with a wet/dry mix, I'd strongly recommend hearing them both first to see how you feel about the converters of each. You just completely did a 180 on what I was leaning towards. The G-Force sounds great right about now. Judging by the way we decided I would run my effects, you'd say the G-Force would be better? Would the 24/96 sampling rate have any effect using my setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IvIark Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Ooh one thing I missed out was the more unusual effects. The Eclipse is excellent at these and the crystals effect in particular is very addictive. They will both do great in the amp setup we discussed on your thread the other day. Only thing it that in a parallel loop some effect such as tremolo are less pronounced because with half the signal going straight to the power amp it means the tremolo can't do a complete cut off. You can still get away with using it though, I use a compressor first so that the tremolo effect is actually a "unity/boost/unity/boost" rather than a "unity/cut/unity/cut". If that makes sense. 24/96 is fantastic but we really are getting into the realms where improvements are extremely subtle, and you can only use the full sampling rate with the Eclipse on certain algorithms. That actually makes me sound quite negative towards the Eclipse, but I'm not really, it's a fantastic processor. But as a sole processor the fact that you can only use two effects simultaneously can be limiting (although you can use more on some more limited combo algorithms). At the end of the day it all depends on what you want. If you feel that you are unlikely to use more than a couple of effects at a time then the Eclipse is a great choice. If you are likely to want reverb, delay, chorus, with a background octave down and maybe a bit of phase on the delay repeats then the G-Force will be a better choice. Controllabilty is a big thing for me, and in the G-Force you can link all the effect types to a simple MIDI program change. And so you can bring individual effects in and out like a pedalboard without having to resort to programming control changes with high and low values. You can also assign individual effects with their own MIDI channel number and so if you are in one patch, you could for instance pull a pitch shifter in from another patch without changing any of the other effects. Its versatility is fabulous. Both are well recommended but when you're paying this sort of money you really want to try them first simply because one may standout to you personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TornadoOfSouls Posted April 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 It sounds like to me, for a guy who doesn't expect to use effects that often and wants something user friendly since I'm in no way experienced with FX, the G-Force seems like the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IvIark Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Well I'm sure you'll be happy with either. If you do decide to go for a G-Force then this site is full of useful info. Plus if you need any pointers on how to do something with whichever choice you make, give me a shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TornadoOfSouls Posted April 7, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Will do Mark, you're a huge help. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members simeon Posted April 8, 2008 Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 if you're interested in soundclips then i have playlists of both processors here... http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/gforce.m3u http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/eclipse/eclipse.m3u (if you have trouble with these, then you can listen to the mp3's on my site - visit the Looping page) just a word of advice - the g-force can be run in parallel, but works much better in series. i doubt you'll notice any degradation in your tone running it in series and you'll be able to use more of the fx and the excellent noise gate sim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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