Phil O'Keefe Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Please vote for your preference, and feel free to explain your POV if you want. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 ultradust i think was singing the praises of the high gainers to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mlabbee Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 I've only played the high gains, so I can't really vote, but I thought they were very versatile. I had a 620 (now a casualty of my gear offload project - neck was too narrow for my fat fingers) and felt like it could really do quite a bit with those pickups - like a Tele minus the ability to go icepick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike.sartori Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 the high gains had such a great growl to them, I miss it. it's so different from a strat, tele or a LP, it's very unique, very musical, really good for that 90's-ish sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted April 12, 2008 Author Share Posted April 12, 2008 I agree Mike - I have high gains in my '91 610, and it's a great crunch and growl guitar... but I also love the chime and sparkle of the toasters, and have been tempted on more than one occasion to swap them out... but then I wouldn't have that great crunch tone option. 22 views and only six votes? You Ric owners had better start voting in my poll, or I'll ban the lot of you! (/joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gambit Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 i really fancy the rick jangle but the one i prefer the look of only comes with the high gain ones.. as far as replacement pickups go, which are the decent rick jangle pickups available? soundwise, where do they sit in the single coil-P90-Humbucker.. err.. lineage? and how would they sound in a cheap 335 copy? Mmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 i really fancy the rick jangle but the one i prefer the look of only comes with the high gain ones.. Even though the modern ones are called 'high gain' they still sound like ric pups, they aren't like a pair of blistering High Gain metal pickups or something. A 330 with 'hi gains' will still jangle away into a vox ac30. Think the difference between a 'vintage' strat pickup and a more modern 'strat pup'...it still sounds like a strat, just a bit beefier...a bit fuller, but it's still unmistakeably 'strat'. that's my limited experience of them anyway. maybe some will more experience will dissagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seifukusha Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 is it true that toasters are similar to gretsch filtertrons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 Toaster tops are special and they blow the hi-gains away for me. I had toasters in my old 360 that sounded great but played like a dog. Melx is right, the Ric hi-gains aren't like DiMarzio hi-gains! Worst guitar I ever played in terms of a sound was a lovely 1970s Maya 335 copy that had been gutted, multiple coil-switching and phase switches installed and the owner had installed two DIMarzio Super Distortion pups. Essentially he had hair metal'd this 335 to death. Gambit, last time I spoke to Tom Waghorn of Waghorn Guitars in your neck of the woods, I actually asked him how much it'd cost to make a Rickenbacker 360 with a good neck. He grimaced and said he hates Rics because the neck joint is so crap. He advised me to get some Ric pups and drop them into a 335 if I wanted that jangle. Maybe one day I will, see if Bareknuckle could custom make some Ric pickups in a very vintage way, using these mods too: http://home.maine.rr.com/lunatic/toasters.html I did try the GFS Nashville Retrotron pickups but hated them. Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted April 12, 2008 Author Share Posted April 12, 2008 i really fancy the rick jangle but the one i prefer the look of only comes with the high gain ones.. You should be able to put in Toasters if you wanted to - but that would add significantly to the overall price tag. Beautiful guitar though. The "R" tailpieces look cool too but they're a pain in the posterior to deal with when doing string changes IMO, at least compared to the vintage style tailpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Corso Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 Toaster tops are special and they blow the hi-gains away for me. I had toasters in my old 360 that sounded great but played like a dog. Melx is right, the Ric hi-gains aren't like DiMarzio hi-gains! Worst guitar I ever played in terms of a sound was a lovely 1970s Maya 335 copy that had been gutted, multiple coil-switching and phase switches installed and the owner had installed two DIMarzio Super Distortion pups. Essentially he had hair metal'd this 335 to death. Gambit, last time I spoke to Tom Waghorn of Waghorn Guitars in your neck of the woods, I actually asked him how much it'd cost to make a Rickenbacker 360 with a good neck. He grimaced and said he hates Rics because the neck joint is so crap. He advised me to get some Ric pups and drop them into a 335 if I wanted that jangle. Maybe one day I will, see if Bareknuckle could custom make some Ric pickups in a very vintage way, using these mods too:http://home.maine.rr.com/lunatic/toasters.htmlI did try the GFS Nashville Retrotron pickups but hated them. Bad. I have a Liverpool Retrotron in the neck of my Tele and I was really impressed, actually. Back OT, I had a Ric 650, which was a really cool, but weird, guitar. It had the Ric HB's...they were great, actually. I'd love to hear them in a 330. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members M900 Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 I have humbuckers on my 650 and I love that guitar. It's been forever since I even touched any other Ric, so I can't comment on teh otehr p'ups to have a 'preference' per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aeroslepperin Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 i replaced the hi-gain bridge pu in my 620 with a hb, but i'm thinking of putting the hi-gain back. i find the hb to be really warm and not really matched well to the hi-gain neck. i can't really say that i like the hi-gain better (i've recorded some great tracks with the hb), but i like the hg in the neck so much that i'd rather put the hg back in the bridge than buy an hb for the neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aeroslepperin Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 The "R" tailpieces look cool too but they're a pain in the posterior to deal with when doing string changes IMO, at least compared to the vintage style tailpiece. heh. yeah, whoever designed the whole "R" tailpiece thing, didn't have convenience in mind. the bridge too. when replacing strings, i usually take off 5 of the 6, get the low e back on then take off the the last old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike.sartori Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 I agree Mike - I have high gains in my '91 610, and it's a great crunch and growl guitar... but I also love the chime and sparkle of the toasters, and have been tempted on more than one occasion to swap them out... but then I wouldn't have that great crunch tone option. 22 views and only six votes? You Ric owners had better start voting in my poll, or I'll ban the lot of you! (/joke) I think you know what the answer to your pickup conundrum is; time to buy a new guitar.(or two) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 The "R" tailpieces look cool too but they're a pain in the posterior to deal with when doing string changes IMO, at least compared to the vintage style tailpiece. No love for Ric 12-strings then when it comes to string changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iluvnoise Posted April 12, 2008 Members Share Posted April 12, 2008 High-gains - 'cause I loves me some Pete Buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted April 12, 2008 Author Share Posted April 12, 2008 I think you know what the answer to your pickup conundrum is; time to buy a new guitar.(or two) Yeah, that's the ideal answer - keep the 610 stock, and find another, or a 620, and put toasters into that one... All it takes is unlimited funds. But I already have a bunch of guitars, and other things are higher on the acquisition priority list at the moment. I have a Casino, so I already have the P90 thing happening in a very cool (IMHO) way, but the HG Ric pups are different. Similar in some ways, yet different. The HG's are more useful to more of my clients, but OTOH, some would benefit from a toaster top equipped Ric too, and as for me personally, I love BOTH sounds. Hmmm. Decisions, decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil O'Keefe Posted April 12, 2008 Author Share Posted April 12, 2008 No love for Ric 12-strings then when it comes to string changes? No love for ANY 12 string when it comes to string changes. For the record, my 12 string electric is a Danelectro DC-12 (surprisingly good, especially considering how little it cost me) and an old Hohner 12 string acoustic I got "bundled" in a trade deal. I'd love to replace them with a Ric Tom Petty model (wider neck than many Ric 12's) and a good Taylor 12 string, but considering how little I use each, it would be hard to justify the expenditure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Verne Andru Posted April 13, 2008 Members Share Posted April 13, 2008 I voted for the humbuckers, but must admit that's all I know - they are on my 650. Pros: - Ultra quiet, in that they are impervious to extraneous noise, hum, buzz, whatever.- Great rock tone when bridge and neck are combined.- Neck solo'd is a very serviceable jazz sounds- Bridge solo'd is a bit middy in a honky way which is great for cutting through a mix. Cons: - Low output so need help juicing the amp- Bridge solo'd is a bit middy in a honky way which is not so good when playing without other instruments.- bit of a challenge getting a nice clean tone across all strings - not impossible, just have to work at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Verne Andru Posted April 13, 2008 Members Share Posted April 13, 2008 For the record, my 12 string electric is a Danelectro DC-12 (surprisingly good, especially considering how little it cost me) and an old Hohner 12 string acoustic I got "bundled" in a trade deal. I'd love to replace them with a Ric Tom Petty model (wider neck than many Ric 12's) and a good Taylor 12 string, but considering how little I use each, it would be hard to justify the expenditure. I have basically the same 12-er in my double-dano: I put SD RWRP lipsticks in the bridge so it humbucks in the center position giving me Dano SC tones neck and bridge plus humless jangle. Tone does change a tad, but the lack of hum makes it worth it. The 6 neck gets changed between baritone and bass VI strings. Some have commented that it's a perfect studio axe. I have an old 50's AGS acoustic 12 string dreadnought that has a wonderfully wide neck and beautiful tone. But instead of stringing it as a 12 I left it as a 6 - which is much easier to play - and used the octave strings on a 3/4 size guitar ala Nashville tuning. I found the smaller voiced 3/4 guitar actually comes into its own when strung Nashville and works that much better when tracked with the bigger dread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mike.sartori Posted April 13, 2008 Members Share Posted April 13, 2008 Yeah, that's the ideal answer - keep the 610 stock, and find another, or a 620, and put toasters into that one... All it takes is unlimited funds. But I already have a bunch of guitars, and other things are higher on the acquisition priority list at the moment. I have a Casino, so I already have the P90 thing happening in a very cool (IMHO) way, but the HG Ric pups are different. Similar in some ways, yet different. The HG's are more useful to more of my clients, but OTOH, some would benefit from a toaster top equipped Ric too, and as for me personally, I love BOTH sounds. Hmmm. Decisions, decisions... How about getting one of those 650's and putting the toasters in it? Those are pretty cheap. Ric's are crazy sometimes with the prices, you can sell a new one for a profit, but a friend of mine randomly got a 360 for $300 - I hate him for it. Also a sort of random question, but I thought of this one time after lamenting the sale of my own Rickenbacker. Does anyone play primarily lead on a ric? I couldn't think of anyone - it's such a classic rhythm sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mirrorball Posted April 13, 2008 Members Share Posted April 13, 2008 The first 3-4 times changing strings on my 360 was a little frustrating. It is a bit more work than other guitars that I own/have owned. Beatuiful guitar though. You get used to how the bridge is and learn a trick or two to make changing strings faster.... IE....... leave the old strings on... change them out one at a time..... don't totally unstring the instrument so the bridge comes off. Now why didn't I think of that!? Wish I had when I changed the strings on my 360 for the first time a few weeks ago. Talk about frustrating. As for pickups. I've only tried the high gains (on my 360). But I dig 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kittycaster Posted April 13, 2008 Members Share Posted April 13, 2008 Please vote for your preference, and feel free to explain your POV if you want. Thanks. Hey Phil, I voted "hi gains". As we've discussed in the past, the 610/620 with high-gains do a GREAT crunch type tone. I have a 620/12 strung as a 6 string. My only complaint about that guitar is the neck is too narrow to really work for me as a 12 string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted April 13, 2008 Members Share Posted April 13, 2008 i dont own/play a rick, but would like to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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