special application delay - suggestions?

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OK guys, so I'm working on a small set-up and I have a special application

 

I'll be running two similar effects in parallel, since I'm going to have to be running a spluffer anyway, I thought it might be nice have the spluffer be a delay unit so tht I can time-offset the two parallel paths for a little more separation/thickness (used to do this back in the day with a dry and octave divided sound and really liked the results)

 

So I'm looking for a delay not for echos, but for "stereo imaging" (Ill actually be collapsing the lines back down though)

 

So I need a dry out (as well as standard out)

with more clarity than warmth

massive delay time not really an issue (I figure 100ms would be a whole lot, 300ms would be stunt huge for the app)

 

something like the BOSS DD-2/3 might work, I think there's an Ibanez or two out there...any other thoughts?

 

I'm trying to make the system relatively physically small...a grab the instrument and funny boxes in one trip kind of thing -- so while I'm generally not concerned with physical size, this time I am, but not rabidly so

[pbone]

You're looking for a digital delay, but my suggestion is the Ibanez AD9.

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yup, most probably digital is the way to go for this app

the AD9 prob isn't going to have the freq response Id like (FWIW - when I used to do the thing with the octaver, I used an old Ibanez pinky analog delay...the one with the chicklet switch...since once you run it through an octave divider you are just hearing a flip-flop switch anyway)

(it's a little more critical as I'll be using it with an electric gamba - so clarity/fidelity is more important than "warmth"...the instrument itself is warm and I'd like to retain as much nuance as possible as both lines will tend to be "primary events" as opposed to one primary event ant the other doing ambience events)

I'm open to non-guitar effects type processors as well (time time correctors, etc -- but those are generally going to have a larger footprint and will prob be "always on" devices)

but thanks, and while I do have reservations, it's another option and I won't dismiss it out-of-hand

[TomCTC]

I'm trying to make the system relatively physically small...a grab the instrument and funny boxes in one trip kind of thing -- so while I'm generally not concerned with physical size, this time I am, but not rabidly so

 

 

So you're trying to get stereo spread from two seperate amps, delaying the signal to the second one for a "wider" sound?

 

What amp are you running? If you want to keep everything in a neat and tidy package, I would highly suggest looking into a Line 6 Vetta combo w/ext. cabinet. The Vettas have a double tracker setting that does exactly what you are looking for, and takes it a step further by altering the pitch of the delay signal. You can even assign two different amps to each one for a really convincing "faux double tracked" live sound, but I'd highly advise to run two speaker cabinets with some physical distance between them to achieve the full effect.

 

AFAIK, this is the only amp on the market with this feature. But it sounds friggin sweeeeeeeet.

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So you're trying to get stereo spread from two seperate amps, delaying the signal to the second one for a "wider" sound?

 

 

not exaclt, but the process is similar

just looking for a time-offset (a'la ADT) on parallel processing paths (I'll usually be collapsing them back down to mono)

 

What amp are you running?

 

I'm trying to keep this system relatively amp-independent (while the instrument is solid-body, it's really closer to an acoustic style sound and processing philosophy where I'm getting my basic "sound" as far up in the line as possible and then simply adding treatments to that)

Generally, I'll prob be using a motion-sound AG-110H for this app if I have to lug one, but, given the type of instrument...DI is cool

 

The Vettas have a double tracker setting that does exactly what you are looking for, and takes it a step further by altering the pitch of the delay signal.

 

while I am look for, essentially ADT, I want to use it in a slightly different manner

[TomCTC]

not exaclt, but the process is similar just looking for a time-offset (a'la ADT) on parallel processing paths (I'll usually be collapsing them back down to mono) What amp are you running? I'm trying to keep this system relatively amp-independent (while the instrument is solid-body, it's really closer to an acoustic style sound and processing philosophy where I'm getting my basic "sound" as far up in the line as possible and then simply adding treatments to that) Generally, I'll prob be using a motion-sound AG-110H for this app if I have to lug one, but, given the type of instrument...DI is cool The Vettas have a double tracker setting that does exactly what you are looking for, and takes it a step further by altering the pitch of the delay signal. Thing is, while I am look for, essentially ADT, I want to use it in a slightly different manner

 

 

Ah, gotcha. Disregard that then. haha

 

I would just pickup a DD-3, but consider the DE-7 as it's cheaper and still has a good digital delay on it. I used to have one and experienced an ambient high pitched noise in relation to the echo time set, though. I think it's referred to as "clock noise", and the fact that I was using an adapter. But no one else has complained of this issue, so you may be able to save some cash.

 

Really, can't go wrong with the DD-3 for your application, though.

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thanks - sorry prob didn't explain that too clearly, trying to taper the coffee consumption and it's not going too well