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I wouldn't really compare the two cause Nirvana had more punk influences and the Smashing Pumpkins had more psych-rock influences. Nonetheless, Billy Corgan was ten times better on guitar and bass than Kurt Cobain and Kris Novoselic plus he's on a whole different level in terms of songwriting...my vote goes to the Pumpkins. Even though Cobain's life was cut short, I don't think he was capable of doing what the Pumpkins have done on a record.

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This is kind if like saying 'Mozart or Katy Perry?'

 

They are nothing like each other. Have ever shared the same musical goals or vision. Corgan's creativity is inspirational, but Curbain bared his soul in such an honest way that it made the music incredibly powerful.

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GaH HCFX really confuses me sometimes
....I would have thought for sure you guys would have voted for the Pumpkins leaps and bounds over Nirvana....


Nirvana didn't hold a candle to the Pumpkins!



why's that? just because the Pumpkins are considered more as an effects band?

i would have expected more of a majority in Nirvana's favour (based on my experience of living in the UK and travelling around Europe).

also, i'd be willing to bet that Nirvana were responsible for many more people getting seriously into music (pre-Nirvana, i was only a casual music fan - although i was very young), and picking up a guitar or other instrument than the Pumpkins were.

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No because the Pumpkins are a better band!!! Better musicians,
better evolution
, better songwriting, better arrangements.

 

Really? :poke:

 

i mean, all of those points are highly debatable... even your 'better musicians' claim.

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Really? :poke:


i mean, all of those points are highly debatable... even your 'better musicians' claim.



I'm taking Huxtable's side. Smashing Pumpkins were wayyy better musicians, but those groups are different. I would compare STP and the Pumpkins or Soundgarden and the Pumpkins before Nirvana. Nirvana was more like Mudhoney or even early Butthole Surfers. But yeah, Billy Corgan would destroy Kurt Cobain on guitar.

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There was a period in the 90's where every movie, every TV show, was set in Seattle. Free Willy? Seattle. Fraiser? Seattle. jerry maguire? Seattle. You've Got Mail? Seattle. Little Buddah? Seattle. Sleepless in Seattle? Seattle. The trend continues to this day, albeit moved across the border to Vancouver. Star Trek: Enterprise? Vancouver. Whatever Stargate was on last? Vancouver.

 

Now let's see what good has come from Chicago in the last 20 years....

 

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Smashing Pumpkins?

 

NOW, Corgan's writing is as predictable as

. But from 93-98, Corgan was this amazing artist. Too bad he lost his muse.

 

Adore is the greatest album of all time, because it deals with loss, both of ideals and idols. It is very fitting then, that Adore is my favorite Smashing Pumpkin album.

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Nirvana, because the drums sounded {censored}ing amazing. Jimmy's snare sounded like he wasn't hitting it hard because he had pussified 5 grade girlie forearms. They both had good songs but overall I connected with Nirvana more so than the Punkins.

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There was a period in the 90's where every movie, every TV show, was set in Seattle. Free Willy? Seattle. Fraiser? Seattle. jerry maguire? Seattle. You've Got Mail? Seattle. Little Buddah? Seattle. Sleepless in Seattle? Seattle. The trend continues to this day, albeit moved across the border to Vancouver. Star Trek: Enterprise? Vancouver. Whatever Stargate was on last? Vancouver.


Now let's see what good has come from Chicago in the last 20 years....


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Smashing Pumpkins?


NOW,
Corgan's writing is as predictable as
nickelback
. But from 93-98, Corgan was this amazing artist. Too bad he lost his muse.


Adore is the greatest album of all time, because it deals with loss, both of ideals and idols. It is very fitting then, that Adore is my favorite Smashing Pumpkin album.



Wilco came out of Chicago. And I'm sure plenty more. Completely different genres, but I don't care.

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I'm taking Huxtable's side.
Smashing Pumpkins were wayyy better musicians,
but those groups are different. I would compare STP and the Pumpkins or Soundgarden and the Pumpkins before Nirvana. Nirvana was more like Mudhoney or even early Butthole Surfers. But yeah, Billy Corgan would destroy Kurt Cobain on guitar.

 

sure, Billy is a better guitarist then Kurt was... but...

 

there was more than one person in Nirvana.

 

i'd say Dave Grohl is a 'better' musician than Iha, Wretzky and Chamberlin.

Novoselic was at least as good as Wretzky.

Kurt and Dave had/have better singing voices than anyone in the Pumpkins.

 

of course, these are all just my opinions but the internet is all about stating your opinions as facts.

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Really? :poke:


i mean, all of those points are highly debatable... even your 'better musicians' claim.



jimmy chamberlin pound for pound is a better drummer than dave grohl.
cobain also could have never wrote "hummer" or "soma" or "geek usa" songs bordering on prog... if they weren't so damn melodic

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Bleach was ok, but I liked Gish more. Nevermind was really good, but Siamese Dream was :love:. In Utero was {censored}ing awesome but MCIS was EPIC.

 

SP is a lot more like my own song writing. I like Nirvana a lot, but SP is up there with the Cure and the Smiths for me.

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sure, Billy is a better guitarist then Kurt was... but...


there was more than one person in Nirvana.


i'd say Dave Grohl is a 'better' musician than Iha, Wretzky and Chamberlin.

Novoselic was
at least
as good as Wretzky.

Kurt and Dave had/have better singing voices than anyone in the Pumpkins.


of course, these are all just my opinions but the internet is all about stating your opinions as facts.



Yeah Dave Grohl is a better musician than Iha and D'Arcy, but it took him years to get to that point and they were already there in like 97. And Grohl DRUMMED for Nirvana, Jimmy Chamberlin will blow him out the water on drums (proof here)

If you look at Corgan's style of songwriting, he's able to take stuff that's normally prog-rock and experimental and put it into a pop perspective. He also uses elements from different music genres (industrial on Machina and the lush classical strings on Mellon Collin and Adore, stark acoustic textures on Adore).

But once again, different styles. Cobain wasn't trying to do what Corgan has done over his career.

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Nirvana, because the drums sounded {censored}ing amazing. Jimmy's snare sounded like he wasn't hitting it hard because he had pussified 5 grade girlie forearms. They both had good songs but overall I connected with Nirvana more so than the Punkins.



That's like saying Page was a better guitarist than Hendrix because Page's amps were louder.

Jimmy had WAY better drum tone than Dave. Sure, Dave came from the Animal school of drumming, and was fun to watch. But Jimmy was the better and more inventive drummer, you can tell he was trained as a jazz drummer. I would put a Jazz drummer that knows how to rock against a plain old rock drummer any day.

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Pumpkins no question for me.
I never got into Nirvana as to me it just sounded like a bunch of guys trying to make as much noise as possible. Pumpkins were melodic though, I was absolutely blown away by Siamese Dream when I first heard it. Soma is still one of my favourite songs of all time.

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musical skill isn't always everything.

and for record, jimmy is amazing, but dave has to be right up there with him if not just as good.

kris was probably a better bassist than Darcy (but not Melissa or Billy).

and no one has mentioned how awesome James was.

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The Pumpkins have held up much better over time than Nirvana for me. I listen to Gish and Siamese Dream and they still sound fresh to me. They could have come out last year. In fact, some critics would say that they DID come out again last year when Silversun Pickups had a big hit with Swoon. When I go back and listen to Nirvana it definitely sounds dated to me. That said, Nirvana was probably one of my biggest influences in my early guitar playing. Love them both.

(NOTE: I'm not saying SSP sounds just like the Pumpkins or are a ripoff, but there are similarities and SSP are obviously highly influenced by SP by their own admission)

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