Members Teoman Posted September 21, 2008 Members Share Posted September 21, 2008 For those of you, Trident specialists out there, I have a question: I made a detailed search for the models in the net, all I found was mostly related to Mk2. It is based on SSM chips and blah blah. What I am wondering is whether the Mk1 model based on the same SSM chipset or not. If so, the differences must be minor (like memory capacity). I really want to have a Mk1 in the near term. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grumphh Posted September 21, 2008 Members Share Posted September 21, 2008 Doesn't the mk 2 have 2 oscillators per voice vs. the mk 1's only one... i think that there is a bigger difference between the 1 and 2 than just the electronics, but maybe i remember it wrongly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 21, 2008 Members Share Posted September 21, 2008 The MK2 had 32 memorys over 16. and independent EG for the VCF Filter. Apparently it had a meatier psu, which gave it better reliability. One of the true phatest sounding analogues about. Im not so sure about the SSM chip difference, but do remember a thread where Clusterchord, Gilwe and Don Solaris were discussing differences. EDIT: Actually, check this link where Tomi gives some interesting details (bottom of page): http://www.vintagesynth.com/korg/trident.shtml also this SOS mini review explains differences at bottom of page also: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/jul95/korgtrident.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted September 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2008 Tom's description is a little bit confusing. Personally, I couldn't be sure if Mk1 is also SSM chipset based or not. SOS article doesn't touch the electronics aspects either. As far as I understood both models have dual VCOs for the synth section and single VCOs for the other two. Filters may be common who knows. One thing I'm sure about is that if I got the MK1 it will be a nice string machine with some extras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Here yah go: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1101642&highlight=trident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted September 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Here yah go: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1101642&highlight=trident That famous thread ! Thanks Gilwe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 You're welcome Anyway, get the MKII. It sounds just as good, it has many more functions, should be more easy to service and most important - you can change presets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Tom's description is a little bit confusing. Personally, I couldn't be sure if Mk1 is also SSM chipset based or not. SOS article doesn't touch the electronics aspects either. As far as I understood both models have dual VCOs for the synth section and single VCOs for the other two. Filters may be common who knows. One thing I'm sure about is that if I got the MK1 it will be a nice string machine with some extras. From the demos ive heard, i always thought the MK1 sounded a little better, but of course that could just be the type of sound or song being played. Theres a MK1 on ebay at the mo, but its BIN is rather too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 As far as Cluster says on that thread, the MK-I uses discrete filters, not sure about it though will have to verify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 .... and most important - you can change presets. I thought you could change presets on MK1 Just you cant start from scratch (like on MK2), you have to start from an existing preset. Maybe im wrong. Your right on buying a MK2 though. A better long term bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted September 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Actually, that specific Mk1 on ebay made me alerted. (That seller is the one I bought my mint Juno-106 from). BIN price is indeed too high, given that I am only interested in the strings section. And the shipping will be $500+ probably. A much lower offer can be made, still I'm in the evaluation process whether I should bid or not From that thread, Tom is saying that both have SSM chips in the filter department, but their implementations are different like Ob-Xa vs P-5. Oscillators seem to be the same both being linear discrete circuitry. A really eye opening thread. I guess we all missed Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gilwe Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 I thought you could change presets on MK1 Just you cant start from scratch (like on MK2), you have to start from an existing preset. Maybe im wrong. Your right on buying a MK2 though. A better long term bet. If Tom's correct, then you cannot modify a preset - you have to start from the Manual mode, make modifications and then save. Just like on the Jupiter 4, which is kinda a hassle in some way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 quoted in SOS magazine: 'In 1982, the MkII version of the Trident became available, featuring some subtle differences. Editing sounds on the MkI meant starting with one of the sounds already in memory. The MkII allows you to start with a 'blank page', and gives you 32 patch memory locations, arranged in four banks of eight, exactly as on the Korg PolySix.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wetwareinterface Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 used to have the mk1 trident.it starts off with a preset and you edit from there.sonically you won't care about any subtle differences between the 2 versions as they sound almost identical and act the same.the difference is more like the difference between an ob-xa and ob-x (as in not enough to tell by ear, only by eye). do not think of it as a string synth with extras...the string section is very limited (it does sound nice though).the brass section is a bit better but still very basic.the synth section is also very basic. where it shines is the onboard phaser and layering all 3 sections in one pad sound. instant vangelis cs-80 pad imitations. it rather sucks for versatility, but what it does do (orchestral synth pads) it does extremely well. don't think you will be using it for basses or leads. it will do a bass sound but you will want to use something else instead and let it do what it does best. also be aware it will need a kenton midi converter (even if you have other cv analogs) as it uses the wacky hz cv system not volt/ocatve cv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 I had some flight time with a MkII Trident when Tony Clark brought his to AHMW2001. They are not a proper polysynth in the P5/Oberheim/Memorymoog class, but they are nice sounding synths. I never heard a synth with SSM2044 VCFs that I didn't like. I was playing some Bach Fugues and it sounded pretty good. Good strings and brass, cool flanger, but not much else. No MIDI either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 the difference is more like the difference between an ob-xa and ob-x (as in not enough to tell by ear, only by eye). Not only OB-X and Xa, sound different, the are made from totally different hardware and using different technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgearguy Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Not only OB-X and Xa, sound different, the are made from totally different hardware and using different technology. I was wondering if everyone was going to let that comment just pass by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted September 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hmm, I have no technical specs to validate Don, but I see there is no consensus about sound similarity/difference. BTW, may I ask you if $2099 is a stupid price or not. My guess is that something like $1500 would be what it is worth. One more thing, just based on its stringer side, does a PolySix cut me equally assuming that there is a hardware similarity ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hmm, I have no technical specs to validate Don, but I see there is no consensus about sound similarity/difference. You don't need any technical specs. OB-Xa is a CEM machine (VCO,VCF,VCA). OB-X is discrete, almost SEM like (except there is no multimode). It does have one CEM but it is used for envelope only (3310) so can be excluded if we talk "sound". Difference between these two, is night and day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teoman Posted September 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Yep there is a big difference between discrete Ob-X and CEM based Ob-Xa. You are saying Trident Mk1 and Mk2 are also that different since Mk1 is more of a discrete type synth. If you have that info you are certainly right. I couldn't reach that much detail. That's what I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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