Members RockNote Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 "Unlike MODELLING amps that set out to simply MIMIC the tones of vintage amps, these powerhouse guitar amps harness Roland's renowned COSM technology..." [video=youtube;osRVZVmsGP0] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brokenfixed Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 I thought "cosm" was Boss/Rolands title for built in effects. I had a few boss multi-trackers that had a "cosm" button, that you'd hit for the onboard stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tron Murphy Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 Ross Boland makes the worst product videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LSDis4me Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 Game changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ItchyFingers Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 I think they're just trying to separate it from what we currently think of when we read "amp modelling"... Composite Object Sound Modeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members k tone Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 Boss needs to change directions from this COSM bull{censored} for their single stomp lineup. They have made some excellent analog effects over the years and COSM is getting in the way of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Naterel Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 COSM is da future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptosonic Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 I am COSMing day and night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted September 17, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 I have a language question for you native speakers. Let's look at the sentence again: "Unlike MODELLING amps that set out to simply MIMIC the tones of vintage amps, these powerhouse guitar amps harness Roland's renowned COSM technology..." If one were to defend it, one could argue that the operative word here is THAT (not WHICH). How much of a difference does this make to you, the way you hear it? The grammatical logic to using THAT is that the sales rep is talking not just about "modelling amps," but specifically about those "modelling amps that set out to simply mimic the tones of vintage amps." True, the new Roland amp does not set out to SMIPLY (note that too) mimic the sones of vintage amos, as it sets out to HARNESS Roland's OWN COSM technology. Grammatically this makes sense, but does anyone actually here it like this? You hear the contrast between modelling amps on the one hand and then "these powerhouse guitar amps [that] harness Roland's renowned COSM technology" on the other, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scolfax Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 ^^^ How about the difference between modeling an amp's output vs modeling the amps individual components? Definitely playing word-games here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hey folks! Johnny DeMarco here from Boss USA, here to tell you about COSM modelling. See, other amp modellers simply mimi.... Ross Boland makes the worst product videos. ... {censored} you pal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 It's all a load of bollocks. A tubescreamer into an eq into a mixer sounds as good as a boutique amp. Who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hurtzher Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 Hey folks! Johnny DeMarco here from Boss USA, here to tell you about COSM modelling.See, other amp modellers simply mimi.... ...{censored} you pal! Are there two DeMarco brothers. Johnny and Freddie? Is the dude that does the Vox demos the same guy...or his twin brother, or what? EDIT: Apparently, they are brothers. Nevermind. Go back to talking about this COSMOS thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 It's all a load of bollocks. A tubescreamer into an eq into a mixer sounds as good as a boutique amp. Who cares. Yeah...not in my experience. I've never heard a tubescreamer sound like a JCM 800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 Sup bitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 harness Roland's renowned COSM technology" on the other, don't you? I don't think that and which are all that different in this usage. Both can be used to separate the COSM amp from the so-called "modelling amps" (which is bull{censored} since the cosm amp is clearly a modelling amp although if their argument is that it's not based on modelling a specific amp I can see how they can justify this logic...kinda). That, however, flows better in this sentence because which is generally used in sort of a parenthetical comment or after a pause. It usually begins a digression so that would draw more attention to their questionable claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BG76 Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 I wish they would make some of the old cool stuff they used to make. They don't seem interested in cashing in on reissues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Krallum Posted September 17, 2012 Members Share Posted September 17, 2012 renowned by whom? the people who write boss product descriptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted September 18, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 I don't think that and which are all that different in this usage. Both can be used to separate the COSM amp from the so-called "modelling amps" (which is bull{censored} since the cosm amp is clearly a modelling amp although if their argument is that it's not based on modelling a specific amp I can see how they can justify this logic...kinda). That, however, flows better in this sentence because which is generally used in sort of a parenthetical comment or after a pause. It usually begins a digression so that would draw more attention to their questionable claim. Thanks, V. That's what I thought. Kicking off one's product demonstation with a lie is not all that convincing. It ends with a lie too - but this is one of the usual type: just outright bull{censored}, which no one would ever believe anyway. The latter lie thus cheats no one, whereas the formormer, the one I have spelt out, is very misleading. The latter being: "The world of amps is about the be rocked like never before." Really? Jimi, Townshend, late 60s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RUExp? Posted September 18, 2012 Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 They probably could have avoided confusion by saying "other modeling amps" but it's silly to think they are lying considering the M in COSM stands for Modeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted September 18, 2012 Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 They probably could have avoided confusion by saying "other modeling amps" but it's silly to think they are lying considering the M in COSM stands for Modeling. But that's exactly what they have said. The video literally says "there's never been an amp like this before....EVER" and says unlike MODELLING amps that...MIMIC..so they're claiming their COSM amp is not a modelling amp and is totally unlike modelling amps even though it's exactly a modelling amp. I have to say, though, the four channels thing is cool and it sounds alright Probably would be ok for a lot of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members V Posted September 18, 2012 Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 Oh...it's 1200 dollars... yeah lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockNote Posted September 18, 2012 Author Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 But that's exactly what they have said. The video literally says "there's never been an amp like this before....EVER" and says unlike MODELLING amps that...MIMIC..so they're claiming their COSM amp is not a modelling amp and is totally unlike modelling amps even though it's exactly a modelling amp. I have to say, though, the four channels thing is cool and it sounds alright Probably would be ok for a lot of players. Precisely! I agree with everything you say here, also the last bit. I went to look at the product demo because I genuinely thought this amp might be useful and practical for me. But as I watched the video, I was carried off by my reflektion on the nature of product demos. I have nothing against Roland nor Boss, but I must say that I don't appreciate when I get the feeling someone is trying to trick me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted September 18, 2012 Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 Oh...it's 1200 dollars... yeah lol. holy {censored} A Roland Cube that they're selling for over $1k Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members juri Posted September 18, 2012 Members Share Posted September 18, 2012 http://www.roland.com/products/en/exp/COSM.html COSM: Composite Object Sound ModelingOnce a musical instrument generates sound vibrations, it reaches the human ear through various mediating, objects, each of which significantly affects the sound. The material and configuration of the instrument, the electric/magnetic amplifying system, the air and the reverberation of the room all affect the final sound. Sound modeling, the latest DSP technology, "virtually" reconstructs these objects. Roland's breakthrough Composite Object Sound Modeling (COSM) uses the advantages of multiple modeling methods and succeeds in accurately emulating existing sounds, as well as producing sounds that have never before been created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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