Members Beasleyboy Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe You're more likely to die at your own hand than at the hands of another according to that. With a firearm death rate of 10.2 per 100,000, 3.7 were homicides, 6.1 suicides, and 0.2 accidental or unintentional. That's considerably less than the countries that rank higher on the list; most of which are homicides. Compare auto fatalities with firearms sometime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_safety If we extrapolate from that 10.2 per 100,000 figure, and based on a 300 million population, that's approximately 30k people per year, from ALL firearms related deaths, and approximately 11,000 intentional, non-self inflicted homicides per year out of a population of 300 million people. If the discussion is revolving around gun murders, I personally think that suicides shouldn't be considered - if you really want to off yourself, and a gun isn't handy, you'll find another way to do it - pills, carbon dioxide poisoning, a knife, jumping from a high location, etc. But even if we count every gun death, it's still 25% fewer than traffic fatalities - and no one seems to be calling for cars to be outlawed. Toss in drinking and driving - and again, while there are plenty of calls for increased enforcement of existing drunk driving laws, and even occasional calls for stricter penalties for those who drink and drive, no one seems to be calling for alcohol to be outlawed again. Personal responsibility and accountability are, IMHO, the key to both. Sure, you have a right to own a firearm as long as you're not a convicted felon or a former mental patient, but if you do something stupid with it, I'm all for throwing the book at you. Same thing with drinking, and even drugs for that matter. Drink all you want... but if you get in a car afterwards and kill a family of six, then IMO, you should get the same type of sentence as a person convicted of 2nd degree murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cryptosonic Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 FWIW my parents can fire their single action replica cowboy pistols faster than I can fire a 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChrisFFTA Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 its funny but of all the US folk I know, you can talk religion, politics, gay rights... whatever, and you can have intelligent debate (99% of the time), but when it comes to guns, that goes out the window. {censored} gets real, REAL nuts, REAL quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Godsky Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by The Lou-Dog Guns being illegal in Australia also means that people in low level crime do not have access to guns because to buy them Illegally would be far too expensive. You don't see low level drug dealers and gang members shooting each other in Australia Some would disagree about sydney... we have {censored}wits shooting at each other... I grew up with a dad who had a fair few guns (all licensed). But he got rid of the high power ones thanks to the strathfield and port arthur massacre. As much as i hate john howard, he did the right thing by restricting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members ChrisFFTA Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by Godsky Some would disagree about sydney... we have {censored}wits shooting at each other... I grew up with a dad who had a fair few guns (all licensed). But he got rid of the high power ones thanks to the strathfield and port arthur massacre. As much as i hate john howard, he did the right thing by finally passing a law proposed prior by the Greens, thus restricting them. fix'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Lou-Dog Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by Godsky Some would disagree about sydney... we have {censored}wits shooting at each other... I grew up with a dad who had a fair few guns (all licensed). But he got rid of the high power ones thanks to the strathfield and port arthur massacre. As much as i hate john howard, he did the right thing by restricting them. We have had it a little bit, but maybe only 2 or 3 a year and they are very highly publicised. Pretty good for a city of 4 million...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members echodeluxe Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Jesus, not this again.All you guys have good intentions but you forget: if someone wants a scary gun to kill someone, they aren't gonna buy it legally. Anything worth getting you can get on the black market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pbone Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 The vast majority of US shooting massacres were committed with legally purchased firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Lou-Dog Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by echodeluxe Jesus, not this again. All you guys have good intentions but you forget: if someone wants a scary gun to kill someone, they aren't gonna buy it legally. Anything worth getting you can get on the black market. No one is saying that making guns illegal will eradicate them completely from society. It would make them much harder to get and far more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members conky Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by hangwire {censored}, that $5 a paycheck is really killing you huh? The cost to help stop the next plague to ravage the poor which will then be passed on through all citizens is keeping you from that cup of coffee fancy drink you want. Fine, send me your portion of that tax and when you get more financially secure let me know. I don't mind paying in to Medicaid, but what I do have a problem with is that I have to go out and pick up a sorry piece of {censored} who complains of a headache and wants a ride to the ER. They have a cellphone that isn't a prepaid one, smoking brand name cigarettes, drive a nice car with rims on it that cost more than my whole live rig, and have no reason at all to be on disability but somehow are anyway. I ask them if they have taken any Tylenol for their headache. They say don't have money to get any. I can't refuse transport and the tax paying public ends up paying that $500 taxi ride and whatever it costs for an ER visit. Medicaid will see that this call is not a medical necessity and will refuse to cover it and by law you can't go after someone who is on Medicaid and try to collect payment. This is at least half of the call volume that we in EMS get. And you wonder why our healthcare needs to be reformed. This goes on to the whole thing I was saying earlier about how we need to stop blaming {censored} on guns and blame it on everyone's sense of entitlement because they are to lazy to work for what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members conky Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by IRG I've always wanted one. When are they going to update their delay? Never tried the current one (or is it out of production). I'm not sure. I haven't heard anything about it and honestly I forgot they even had a delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members conky Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by pbone The vast majority of US shooting massacres were committed with legally purchased firearms. Still, a shooting massacre where there are 4 victims or more are only a small percentage of gun violence. Most gun crime is from illegally obtained weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Godsky Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by ChrisFFTA fix'd Ah yes you're correct Originally Posted by The Lou-Dog We have had it a little bit, but maybe only 2 or 3 a year and they are very highly publicised. Pretty good for a city of 4 million...... We've apparently had 173 gun incidents this year. idiots will always find ways of getting guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IRG Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by conky I'm not sure. I haven't heard anything about it and honestly I forgot they even had a delay. Not sure I've ever heard a clip of the Sunny Day Delay tbh. I should check it out sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iff Posted December 24, 2012 Members Share Posted December 24, 2012 Originally Posted by conky Still, a shooting massacre where there are 4 victims or more are only a small percentage of gun violence. Most gun crime is from illegally obtained weapons. But I'll bet most gun crime is gang-related/inter-gang, so no one really cares about them. All of these massacres tend to affect "normal" people and as previously stated, tend to be committed using legally purchased guns, so a lot more attention will be drawn to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hangwire Posted December 25, 2012 Members Share Posted December 25, 2012 Originally Posted by conky And you wonder why our healthcare needs to be reformed. there are a good deal of large jumps you you are missing that are important for reimbursement of these frequent flyers and underemergent cases... but the quoted segment is really the most important part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChrisFFTA Posted December 25, 2012 Members Share Posted December 25, 2012 And sadly news in of a gunman ambushing firefighters, killing two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Lou-Dog Posted December 25, 2012 Members Share Posted December 25, 2012 Originally Posted by Godsky Ah yes you're correct We've apparently had 173 gun incidents this year. idiots will always find ways of getting guns How many of these are licensing issues? How many gun related deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inspector 71 Posted December 25, 2012 Members Share Posted December 25, 2012 Originally Posted by triviani How many people die in the USA a year because of firearms? About 10.000? 15.000? 20.000?. Or is it "only" 10.000? Is that really ok for you? Based on these numbers, the government deemed gun control a viable option to increase its tax base due to economic turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RUExp? Posted December 25, 2012 Members Share Posted December 25, 2012 Here's the ABC News videos that IRG mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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