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Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall

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I think it's a case of you get what you pay for. If your shopping for the lowest price at GC i wouldn't expect a decent set up, but if you are at a local store that hopefully prides themselves on service I would expect them to do one.


Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.

 

I'm not going to some big chain store, it's a family owned shop where I've spent a great deal of money icon_lol.gif I guess I just expected more.
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Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall

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I think it's a case of you get what you pay for. If your shopping for the lowest price at GC i wouldn't expect a decent set up, but if you are at a local store that hopefully prides themselves on service I would expect them to do one.


Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.

 

I'm not going to some big chain store, it's a family owned shop where I've spent a great deal of money icon_lol.gif I guess I just expected more.
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I never expect a guitar to be set up.


It's not really that big of a deal, and comparing it to a dealer selling a car without balancing the tires is an exaggeration.


If you're paying for string changes or set ups, you really need to do a little research and learn for yourself. It's really not a big deal. Depending on how much you clean, and how far you go........it shouldn't take you more than an hour.


Even if the guitar is set up well, I still like to pull it all apart, clean it, and do a full re-setup. I like my guitars better when I set them up.

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I never expect a guitar to be set up.


It's not really that big of a deal, and comparing it to a dealer selling a car without balancing the tires is an exaggeration.


If you're paying for string changes or set ups, you really need to do a little research and learn for yourself. It's really not a big deal. Depending on how much you clean, and how far you go........it shouldn't take you more than an hour.


Even if the guitar is set up well, I still like to pull it all apart, clean it, and do a full re-setup. I like my guitars better when I set them up.

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I rarely expect a guitar to be set up, and hardly consider it predatory or - lol - discriminatory when it isn't. I also expect to perform an oil/fluid change when I buy a car, and to remove/install some basic programs when I buy a computer. That said, I still consider these kind of things when it comes to paying a premium at Mom & Pop stores.

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I rarely expect a guitar to be set up, and hardly consider it predatory or - lol - discriminatory when it isn't. I also expect to perform an oil/fluid change when I buy a car, and to remove/install some basic programs when I buy a computer. That said, I still consider these kind of things when it comes to paying a premium at Mom & Pop stores.

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Here is the way I look at it.


I needed a spare television for a guest room when we bought our new house. I went to Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target and BJs. I looked at some reviews/forums and ended up purchasing a tv from Amazon because it was cheaper due to free shipping and no tax.


When I spoke to the clerks at these places most of them were idiots who knew as much/less then I did. I don't really expect any more because they're low wage earners and as such I don't expect them to have a lot of knowledge.


We have a home theatre in our home. When we built the house it cost about $50,000 to buy the equipment, get it installed/configured, furnish the room and do the acoustic treatment. I hired a place that specializes in home audio systems and asked tons of questions and went over a bunch of ideas with them.


Now when I was looking for the second tv the place that did our install actually had a similar model to what I ended up buying in stock. The cost was almost twice as much as it was from Amazon, but that included delivery, setup, etc.... At the end of the day I probably could have got them down to Amazon's price or a little more because I have done a lot of business with them but I didn't bother because I did not need the service and was shopping for the lowest cost solution.


When I buy studio gear I usually buy from the same place and have a good relationship with the people there. Some things are a little more then they would be at GC (if they carry it) but the ability to deal with a person who is not a moron is worth the cost.


You can usually get the best price or the best service. Very few places will have both but many people find value in service and will pay a little more for it.

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Here is the way I look at it.


I needed a spare television for a guest room when we bought our new house. I went to Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target and BJs. I looked at some reviews/forums and ended up purchasing a tv from Amazon because it was cheaper due to free shipping and no tax.


When I spoke to the clerks at these places most of them were idiots who knew as much/less then I did. I don't really expect any more because they're low wage earners and as such I don't expect them to have a lot of knowledge.


We have a home theatre in our home. When we built the house it cost about $50,000 to buy the equipment, get it installed/configured, furnish the room and do the acoustic treatment. I hired a place that specializes in home audio systems and asked tons of questions and went over a bunch of ideas with them.


Now when I was looking for the second tv the place that did our install actually had a similar model to what I ended up buying in stock. The cost was almost twice as much as it was from Amazon, but that included delivery, setup, etc.... At the end of the day I probably could have got them down to Amazon's price or a little more because I have done a lot of business with them but I didn't bother because I did not need the service and was shopping for the lowest cost solution.


When I buy studio gear I usually buy from the same place and have a good relationship with the people there. Some things are a little more then they would be at GC (if they carry it) but the ability to deal with a person who is not a moron is worth the cost.


You can usually get the best price or the best service. Very few places will have both but many people find value in service and will pay a little more for it.

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Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain

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it to be setup? Both guitars had a deposit put down on them and 2 weeks between the down payment and pick up. And neither was setup at all. No truss rod adjustment, no height or intonation done. Is it just me or is this totally {censored}ed up?

 

It's pretty lame but regardless of a set up I always end up setting up guitars myself. I also tune lower than E so I have to mod the nut for heavier strings and {censored} but even if I didn't do that, I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.
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Quote Originally Posted by Prehistoricpain

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it to be setup? Both guitars had a deposit put down on them and 2 weeks between the down payment and pick up. And neither was setup at all. No truss rod adjustment, no height or intonation done. Is it just me or is this totally {censored}ed up?

 

It's pretty lame but regardless of a set up I always end up setting up guitars myself. I also tune lower than E so I have to mod the nut for heavier strings and {censored} but even if I didn't do that, I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.
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Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall

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Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.

 

I tell people and tell people... emphasizing the importance of stuff like this, and am amazed again and again when they fail to heed my advice. It's certainly not everyone, but enough to be noticeable. And since they were cautioned about it in advance, there shouldn't be any. But yet, there are.


I keep a few basic things onhand. I normally am not going to stop and solder something unless it means the halt of the session otherwise, but if a bridge saddle's buzzing, or a truss rod needs a twist, I'll stop and take the few minutes needed to fix it. Remove the distraction, kill the unwanted noise, make the musicians more comfortable and move on.


Frankly, drummers are worse. Not the good ones. They know what's up and how to deal with their gear. And there's a lot to be said for finding and hiring a good tech to go over your gear before an important session. But there are a ton of "drummers" who don't even know how to tune their own instruments. Every engineer needs to know how to not only mic a kit, but reskin it and tune it and get it sounding good - or at least as good as the shells / bearing edges and hardware (not to mention drummer) will allow. icon_lol.gif The worst gear I've ever seen coming in was all drum stuff. That's why I got a kit. icon_lol.gif Which coincidentally, is pictured in this month's (Feb 2013) issue of Electronic Musician magazine. redface.gif

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Quote Originally Posted by Trick Fall

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Phil even when I was a snot nosed punk who knew ven less then I know now I always insisted that everyone go and get a good setup done before going into the studio.

 

I tell people and tell people... emphasizing the importance of stuff like this, and am amazed again and again when they fail to heed my advice. It's certainly not everyone, but enough to be noticeable. And since they were cautioned about it in advance, there shouldn't be any. But yet, there are.


I keep a few basic things onhand. I normally am not going to stop and solder something unless it means the halt of the session otherwise, but if a bridge saddle's buzzing, or a truss rod needs a twist, I'll stop and take the few minutes needed to fix it. Remove the distraction, kill the unwanted noise, make the musicians more comfortable and move on.


Frankly, drummers are worse. Not the good ones. They know what's up and how to deal with their gear. And there's a lot to be said for finding and hiring a good tech to go over your gear before an important session. But there are a ton of "drummers" who don't even know how to tune their own instruments. Every engineer needs to know how to not only mic a kit, but reskin it and tune it and get it sounding good - or at least as good as the shells / bearing edges and hardware (not to mention drummer) will allow. icon_lol.gif The worst gear I've ever seen coming in was all drum stuff. That's why I got a kit. icon_lol.gif Which coincidentally, is pictured in this month's (Feb 2013) issue of Electronic Musician magazine. redface.gif

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I just expect have to change strings and do a setup on any guitar I get. Doesn't matter if it's set up from the factory or not, as it isn't likely set up the way I want it. So, it doesn't matter to me at all. To me complaining that a guitar needs a setup is a bit like buying a car and complaining that the seat and mirrors weren't adjusted properly.

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I just expect have to change strings and do a setup on any guitar I get. Doesn't matter if it's set up from the factory or not, as it isn't likely set up the way I want it. So, it doesn't matter to me at all. To me complaining that a guitar needs a setup is a bit like buying a car and complaining that the seat and mirrors weren't adjusted properly.

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Quote Originally Posted by crohny

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I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.

 

Like I said - good techs can sometimes be hard to find. Good techs that listen to what you are asking for, and try their best to deliver, are rarer still. The ones that actually do deliver - they're the ones you want to give your business to. Ask around. Other musicians (especially the good ones) will often be able to tell you who does good work locally - and who you should avoid. Same with local studios. They'll often know the names and numbers of the area's a-list techs.
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Quote Originally Posted by crohny

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I've only had one guitar in the history of my guitar playing set up in a way I liked.

 

Like I said - good techs can sometimes be hard to find. Good techs that listen to what you are asking for, and try their best to deliver, are rarer still. The ones that actually do deliver - they're the ones you want to give your business to. Ask around. Other musicians (especially the good ones) will often be able to tell you who does good work locally - and who you should avoid. Same with local studios. They'll often know the names and numbers of the area's a-list techs.
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I've never bought a guitar brand new before, but just pay someone $30 to set it up.


Big guitar places never set up their guitars, unless they are really expensive. You'd think they would to help sell the guitar, and probably do for this reason, but if they ordered it in for you directly, they likely just took it out of the truck, left it in the back and then gave it to you once it arrived.


Go back and ask if they will do one for free since you just bought it, they might.

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I've never bought a guitar brand new before, but just pay someone $30 to set it up.


Big guitar places never set up their guitars, unless they are really expensive. You'd think they would to help sell the guitar, and probably do for this reason, but if they ordered it in for you directly, they likely just took it out of the truck, left it in the back and then gave it to you once it arrived.


Go back and ask if they will do one for free since you just bought it, they might.

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I don't expect it, as it is just not the norm as far as I can tell, but it is very problematic.


Thats why I go to two independent guitar shops in the D.C. area. Crossroads or Action Music. Everything on the floor is either reasonably set up, or, if it is new in stock, they will do a setup if you express interest in buying. Still, I will tweak the setup myself further. I can be extremely, 1/2mm, picky.


I have no hate on Guitar Center, it is actually significantly closer to me. So I'll get accessories there, but it is too hard for me to judge a fretted instruments' fretting with the action off.

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I don't expect it, as it is just not the norm as far as I can tell, but it is very problematic.


Thats why I go to two independent guitar shops in the D.C. area. Crossroads or Action Music. Everything on the floor is either reasonably set up, or, if it is new in stock, they will do a setup if you express interest in buying. Still, I will tweak the setup myself further. I can be extremely, 1/2mm, picky.


I have no hate on Guitar Center, it is actually significantly closer to me. So I'll get accessories there, but it is too hard for me to judge a fretted instruments' fretting with the action off.

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Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstrat86

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when I'm buying a guitar I do expect a complimentary set-up on it, with my preferred strings of choice. I'm dropping that good cash I want my axe playable when I pick it up. I wouldn't want a new car from a certified dealer that has low air in the tires, needs fluid changes, and light replacements. That all should be done for me from the jump.


The last guitar I bought was my Suhr Standard that I got from the Music Zoo, and I asked the guy taking care of me how much a set up was, and he said don't worry we take care of it for free, just call a day or two before you want to pick it up. That's service.

 

I bought my Nocaster form them about 10 years ago and they set it up really nicely.

From my experience, guitar shops usually tell you they'll throw in a free set-up when you buy a guitar; otherwise, I think, you have to pay for it. Most of the guitar shops I've delt with (maybe for this reason) have thrown in a free set-up with the deal, but not all do that. Gotta ask before you buy is the best advice I can give.

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Quote Originally Posted by Frankenstrat86

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when I'm buying a guitar I do expect a complimentary set-up on it, with my preferred strings of choice. I'm dropping that good cash I want my axe playable when I pick it up. I wouldn't want a new car from a certified dealer that has low air in the tires, needs fluid changes, and light replacements. That all should be done for me from the jump.


The last guitar I bought was my Suhr Standard that I got from the Music Zoo, and I asked the guy taking care of me how much a set up was, and he said don't worry we take care of it for free, just call a day or two before you want to pick it up. That's service.

 

I bought my Nocaster form them about 10 years ago and they set it up really nicely.

From my experience, guitar shops usually tell you they'll throw in a free set-up when you buy a guitar; otherwise, I think, you have to pay for it. Most of the guitar shops I've delt with (maybe for this reason) have thrown in a free set-up with the deal, but not all do that. Gotta ask before you buy is the best advice I can give.

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Quote Originally Posted by Phil O'Keefe

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Like I said - good techs can sometimes be hard to find. Good techs that listen to what you are asking for, and try their best to deliver, are rarer still. The ones that actually do deliver - they're the ones you want to give your business to. Ask around. Other musicians (especially the good ones) will often be able to tell you who does good work locally - and who you should avoid. Same with local studios. They'll often know the names and numbers of the area's a-list techs.

 

It was a complete fluke. I was recommended this guy through a shop a couple towns over. I didn't tell him anything other than I needed my new pickups and pots installed in my V along with being set up for heavier strings and a lower tuning. Didn't tell him anything about set up. The guy did a beautiful job with that guitar. Was such a delight to play after that.
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