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Members BHz_econo Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 haha it was good, no giant knight... but a couple battles. frustrating, i just want the good guys to win and it be over... i can't take this hour long drama and then the bad guys are still alive! Dude stop watching now! The theme of the story could be good guys never win... or nothing ever ends well for the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hiwatt Bob Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 o man, ned stark lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tattoedsailor Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Stupid Ned Stark http://winteriscomingbitch.tumblr.com ++1! This was huge disappoint in the book. Was so out of character. I almost stopped reading series from this point. The author really should have done better job with Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members silent-strat Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Yep, those of you lamenting the poor lot of the Starks should just give up now, epic Stark butthurt x10 coming soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members big_cat Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 some of the supporting actors are really good in this. the scene between varys and littlefinger wasn't in the books (IIRC) but was one of my favorites so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElvisIsNotDjed Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 happy Lannisters (Jaime, Cersei and Tyrion) song and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members iblastoff Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 ++1! This was huge disappoint in the book. Was so out of character. I almost stopped reading series from this point. The author really should have done better job with Ned. i'm confused. how the {censored} could the AUTHOR OF THE BOOK portray his own character incorrectly??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yarbicus Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 i'm confused. how the {censored} could the AUTHOR OF THE BOOK portray his own character incorrectly??? Seriously. I think someone misunderstands Ned as a character. He is a total badass with absolutely no concept of deceit. It just makes no sense to him. He is held up as an ideal in a secular world; looks great but completely over matched by those willing to lie, cheat, and steal. As I said in another thread, he is awesomely pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RadioSilence Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Yeah, Ned takes what he thinks is the only action: the honourable one. honour is so ingrained in Ned he cannot even conceive of doing a dishonourable thing, even if that would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Operator Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 tragic flaw is tragic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tattoedsailor Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 From get go Ned never trusted the Queen (Lannisters). Especially after what she did to his daughter and his son. The author makes him out to be honorable yet cautious, wise and smart (this is from the book). Countless times she deceives him. And he knows this. Yet he goes and tells her that he's knows about her past. It just seemed to me that it was out character. If Ned was a fool, naive and unwise I can understand. I'll admit I haven't watched the show yet. Maybe his character is different in TV series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slow_Life Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ned doesn't have *any* political savvy - that is abundantly clear in the books and in the series, and it is something he himself knows, but circumstance (read: Robert) has put him in a situation in which he is completely out of his depth. He knows what is going on but is incapable of making tough, real, political decisions. He's not a stupid but he is a fool, a total fool - he's supposed to be. Remember (for instance) how Littlefinger mocks him for refusing to say the word "bribery" when talking about the city guard; that's him feebly attempting to reconcile himself to realpolitik, but far too late. He is a sympathetic character - loves his family, great warrior, decent northern overlord etc - but a ridiculously ineffective political animal unsuited to King's Landing or being the Hand or Regent. The fact that he is forced into this is part of the tragedy of the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slow_Life Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Also, lesbian fisting was distracting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Operator Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Also, lesbian fisting was distracting Yeah, what the {censored}? I never thought I would complain about this, but I was trying to listen to that guy's back story but couldn't hear it under all that moaning. I figure they were like "hmm how can we make this boring monologue interesting...Oh! Let's have two chicks {censored}ing! That makes everything interesting!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tattoedsailor Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ned doesn't have *any* political savvy - that is abundantly clear in the books and in the series, and it is something he himself knows, but circumstance (read: Robert) has put him in a situation in which he is completely out of his depth. He knows what is going on but is incapable of making tough, real, political decisions. He's not a stupid but he is a fool, a total fool - he's supposed to be. Remember (for instance) how Littlefinger mocks him for refusing to say the word "bribery" when talking about the city guard; that's him feebly attempting to reconcile himself to realpolitik, but far too late. He is a sympathetic character - loves his family, great warrior, decent northern overlord etc - but a ridiculously ineffective political animal unsuited to King's Landing or being the Hand or Regent. The fact that he is forced into this is part of the tragedy of the Starks. This makes sense. I think i was making him out to be too perfect. Like he know he's was getting screwed but he allowed it. After I got done reading the chapter I was like WTF... :facepalm:Why would he do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onyxrhino Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 So basically the show is just an epic account of the misery and failure of the protagonists? Sounds like loads of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Operator Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 So basically the show is just an epic account of the misery and failure of the protagonists? Sounds like loads of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members onyxrhino Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 yeah, because this show is filled with poetry comparable to King Lear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yarbicus Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ned doesn't have *any* political savvy - that is abundantly clear in the books and in the series, and it is something he himself knows, but circumstance (read: Robert) has put him in a situation in which he is completely out of his depth. He knows what is going on but is incapable of making tough, real, political decisions. He's not a stupid but he is a fool, a total fool - he's supposed to be. Remember (for instance) how Littlefinger mocks him for refusing to say the word "bribery" when talking about the city guard; that's him feebly attempting to reconcile himself to realpolitik, but far too late. He is a sympathetic character - loves his family, great warrior, decent northern overlord etc - but a ridiculously ineffective political animal unsuited to King's Landing or being the Hand or Regent. The fact that he is forced into this is part of the tragedy of the Starks. A+. Man, I wish you could help me teach my English 101 students about reading fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yarbicus Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 yeah, because this show is filled with poetry comparable to King Lear. Actually, Lear is a pretty good analogy. Lear is a fool that allows himself to be screwed over because he cannot accept reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BHz_econo Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 From get go Ned never trusted the Queen (Lannisters). Especially after what she did to his daughter and his son. The author makes him out to be honorable yet cautious, wise and smart (this is from the book). Countless times she deceives him. And he knows this. Yet he goes and tells her that he's knows about her past. It just seemed to me that it was out character. If Ned was a fool, naive and unwise I can understand. I'll admit I haven't watched the show yet. Maybe his character is different in TV series. The reason Ned tells her is because he knew Robert's rage and he didnt want the blood of children on his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Slow_Life Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edit - at operator's pic) edit: @ oxyrhino - It's not all about the failure of the protagonists, though. Some do very well. Whether you like them or not, whether they "deserve" to do well, isn't really relevant. (But, fwiw, there are some righteous characters who I love who - at the moment i.e. with book 5 about to arrive - are doing just fine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Operator Posted June 1, 2011 Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 yeah, because this show is filled with poetry comparable to King Lear. No one said anything about poetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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