I, for one, am PRO gay marriage...

[Def_Pearl_Pilot]

Originally posted by telephant we will have no use of logic in political threads... You're fired!

The Donald is coming after you bro. Watch out!

[pinkpantyboy]

Originally posted by jrc6 I am sure there is some idiot {censored}ing a dog right now. I really don't give a {censored}, so long as the dog & others aren't hurt! Can't we all just...get along?

Animal humping is the deepest darkest of all human secrets. People are more likely to confess to nailing a minor than a sheep in heat.

But as far as dogs go...thats a WOMAN's secret vice. I've seen beast porn. It aint dudes. Its mainly women doing animals.

I don't believe males boff dogs with any real frequency.

House pets are a woman vice. Farm animals are a farmers vice.

But the rest of us who arent women and don't live on farms....... our conscience is clear.

The only non human thing I have ever boffed.... my pillow back when i was 15.

[SkidMarx]

Originally posted by naskonja normal people lol. in the 50's normal people didnt want black people drinking the same water or peeing in the same bathroom, normal people didnt want women to have the same rights as men, normal people thought anyone with piercings or tattoos was a trouble maker. whats your definition of normal? we live in this country that is suposedly free. i have a lot of gay friends, and none of them throw anything in straight peoples faces when we go out in public. actually most the gay friends i have are very successful and rich and very very down to earth and fun people to go drinking with. i agree the line has to be drawn somewhere, a man and a horse shouldnt be having sex but if 2 people are attrackted to one another and they both know what they are getting in to, then why hold them back?

 

 

yeah, there's nuttin' wrong wit' dem! Dey just like pushin' in the stool every now and then! What's so wrong with that? In all seriousness, if someone has to have it explained to them just exactly what is wrong with being gay, then I'm afraid they are about the most morally inept nitwit on the planet. Why it is wrong needs no explaination. Does that mean I think gays should be persecuted or discriminated against or be the subject of hate and violence? Nope. Pity, that's what they deserve. Because pitiful is what they are. That being said, if that's what people wanna' do on a friday night, have a blast! Pump each other until you can pump no more. Just don't try and tell me you are husband and wife. Or husband and husband, or wife and wife, or whatever the hell you wanna call each other. What you have, love or no love, will NEVER be a marriage, period.

 

PS - before someone shows up and accuses me of "hating" gays, I do not. I feel pity for them. I have never hated anyone for being gay. I have laughed my ass off at the more flamboyant ones, though, many times.

[pcvarney]

Originally posted by pinkpantyboy Animal humping is the deepest darkest of all human secrets. People are more likely to confess to nailing a minor than a sheep in heat. But as far as dogs go...thats a WOMAN's secret vice. I've seen beast porn. It aint dudes. Its mainly women doing animals. I don't believe males boff dogs with any real frequency. House pets are a woman vice. Farm animals are a farmers vice. But the rest of us who arent women and don't live on farms....... our conscience is clear. The only non human thing I have ever boffed.... my pillow back when i was 15.

Now that's a funny post, PPB.

( I am sure you didn't mean it to be )

[eeka-chu]

Originally posted by PuppetOfMasters Words quoted from a great, great man. "These sumbitches could care less about getting married. Look, I could care less who's gay or not. The majority of people in this country could care less about who's humpin who, they also could care less that Whoopi Goldberg has a new show."

 

 

I'm never going to take the advice of a man who can't master simple English phrases.

 

"I couldn't care less."

 

Implying that there is no care to begin with. The reverse of could care less.

 

This is very simple stuff.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by eeka-chu I'm never going to take the advice of a man who can't master simple English phrases. "I couldn't care less." Implying that there is no care to begin with. The reverse of could care less. This is very simple stuff.

It's the grammar police... Just goes to show you couldn't find anything else in his post to dissagree with. Glad to have ya batting for the home team bro.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by SkidMarx yeah, there's nuttin' wrong wit' dem! Dey just like pushin' in the stool every now and then! What's so wrong with that? In all seriousness, if someone has to have it explained to them just exactly what is wrong with being gay, then I'm afraid they are about the most morally inept nitwit on the planet. Why it is wrong needs no explaination. Does that mean I think gays should be persecuted or discriminated against or be the subject of hate and violence? Nope. Pity, that's what they deserve. Because pitiful is what they are. That being said, if that's what people wanna' do on a friday night, have a blast! Pump each other until you can pump no more. Just don't try and tell me you are husband and wife. Or husband and husband, or wife and wife, or whatever the hell you wanna call each other. What you have, love or no love, will NEVER be a marriage, period. PS - before someone shows up and accuses me of "hating" gays, I do not. I feel pity for them. I have never hated anyone for being gay. I have laughed my ass off at the more flamboyant ones, though, many times.

Another xample of a repressed homosexual homophobic trying to push his values on us.

[the russ]

Originally posted by hairydangler Sure why not? Then they should be able to raise children also. And pedophiles should be able to marry young children too. Whatever the case, lets be sure to push this wierd and unnatural agenda down the throat of the mainstream at the very least. I wanyt to see it in the news paper every goddmaned day.

oh stfu, it ain't hurting anyone. and it wouldn't be in the news unless people like you didn't keep trying to prevent gay people from living their lives they way they want.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by the russ oh stfu, it ain't hurting anyone. and it wouldn't be in the news unless people like you didn't keep trying to prevent gay people from living their lives they way they want.

Go back in the closet. "It ain't hurting anyone" Is just you're opinion... And your opinion is wrong.

Edited by hairydangler for foul namecalling content.

[eeka-chu]

Originally posted by Def_Pearl_Pilot Yeah, if that's the goal, but I don't buy that because not every heterosexual procreates.

We also have a surplus of kids living in care, who I'm sure the majority of wouldn't be bothered about the sexuality of their parents provided they were given somewhere to live and someone to look after them.

But it's more fundamental than that. Not every human procreates but how many don't have sex, ever? Or masturbate, or have any sexual desires? Zero.

Provided a person is sexually stimulated by doing something it doesn't really matter whether or not it results in children, the same neurochemical effects occur. And neurochemically they still think they've forwarded their mission towards passing on their genes.

Endorphin production increases by about 20% during sex, I think it might even be higher near the end. Edorphins are opioid based pain killers almost identical to morphine. So the rush you get during sex is actually a natural form of a heroin hit, but occuring as if you'd just injected it directly into your head.

[eeka-chu]

Originally posted by hairydangler It's the grammar police... Just goes to show you couldn't find anything else in his post to dissagree with. Glad to have ya batting for the home team bro.

I could care less about whether or not people want to get married. Already, dude . To me, even heterosexual marriage seems kind of spooky.

Two people who love each other decide to spend the rest of their lives together, never having sex with anyone else. And then it seems like 99% of them end up bitching and arguing with each other over things like who fed the cat or washed the dishes.

"You're in a funny mood!"

Tha'ts got to say something about how realistic life time monogamy actually is.

[the russ]

Originally posted by hairydangler Go back in the closet. "It ain't hurting anyone" Is just you're opinion... And your opinion is wrong. Edited by hairydangler for foul namecalling content.

yeah I noticed you edited out the "{censored}ing faggot" part. asshole.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by the russ yeah I noticed you edited out the "{censored}ing faggot" part. asshole.

You're welcome.

Stop trying to cram your "It ain't hurting anyone" argument down our throats. No pun intended.

[gdwill2u]

Originally posted by naskonja that or they are hardcore christians, and most of thoes i run into dont really know much about religion they just believe what people tell them to believe... not all but most... im all for gay marriage by the state, why shouldnt they get the same tax benifits and other benifites any other married couple would get? I think a lot of people look at it as in its against some religions ect but marriage isnt only about religion...

 

 

That is a very stupid statement.

 

Let's see how you like a similar prejudicial statement.

 

"Most rock guitarist are drunks and druggies who are grossly irresponsible sexually promisuous, and are morally bankrupt"

 

Most, not all"

 

Does the really "most not all" help when making such a horribly inaccurate an ignorant statement?

[gdwill2u]

Originally posted by hairydangler I love the morons that think it's really just a homophobic problem if you don't agree with them. Maybe "normal" people just don't want this {censored} in their {censored}ing face every day? Huh? Remember the "normal" people?

 

 

Sure why not? Then they should be able to raise children also. And pedophiles should be able to marry young children too. Whatever the case, lets be sure to push this wierd and unnatural agenda down the throat of the mainstream at the very least. I wanyt to see it in the news paper every goddmaned day.

 

I copied and pasted both of hairie's posts, couldn't have said it better.

 

Right on Bro!

[the russ]

Originally posted by hairydangler You're welcome. Stop trying to cram your "It ain't hurting anyone" argument down our throats. No pun intended.

Why should I give up that argument? People like you go around screaming "It's wrong!" and picketing gay men's funerals, but I can't say "Being gay isn't hurting anyone?" That's messed up.

I fail to see how a long-term, monogamous, same-sex couple defined by the law as "married" hurts anyone or anything.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by the russ Why should I give up that argument? People like you go around screaming "It's wrong!" and picketing gay men's funerals, but I can't say "Being gay isn't hurting anyone?" That's messed up. I fail to see how a long-term, monogamous, same-sex couple defined by the law as "married" hurts anyone or anything.

 

 

 

Ain't hurting anyone? You can't be serious. And lets go into deeper detail than just about tax cuts that gays can already get anyhow!

 

How do you explain you and your gay lover/husbands marriage to young children without damaging theier poor inno9cent little brains? The very answer to the question is immorral and perverse dude.

 

Now the damage to society and the USA as a whole will have far reaching and damaging effects as well. We will be even further along the road of chaos, debauchery, immorality and sin. Everuy little minority perversity will need to have their {censored}ing day in courst so the general popukation can "appease" them.

 

Just where does the downfall of a nation begin? Lack of moralitiy maybe? Are we really that anxious to get it started?

[gdwill2u]

I do not mind if gays have a civil union that grants them all of the personal and couple rights that a married couple has under the law.

But I do not want homosexuality taught and modeled to my children as an alternate lifestyle.

Sorry, I believe it is deviant behavior and a choice. I am a christian and I know for a fact that there are ministries that help homosexuals to be restored to heterosexuality and are happily married.

I also don't want sado-masochism taught as normal or acceptable, or any other perversion for that matter.

Sexual deviancy is not tranformed into normalcy by a majority vote. There has never been a society that survived with a large homosexual population and there has never been a society that survived once the nuclear family was eroded. Study The Greeks and the Romans and you will see this.

Our culture is on shaky ground here, and we'd better get it right.

The real word is not normal it is about right and wrong. Does anyone really think it is OK or right to engage in homosexual behavior....doesn't your own heart tell you it is disgusting and wrong?

Most and I have read this from many different scholars (christian and seculoar alike), most homosexuals were molested as young people. Molestation can produce very violent hard wiring in the sexual desires of the victim. That's a fact Jack.

[the russ]

Originally posted by hairydangler Ain't hurting anyone? You can't be serious. And lets go into deeper detail than just about tax cuts that gays can already get anyhow! How do you explain you and your gay lover/husbands marriage to young children without damaging theier poor inno9cent little brains? The very answer to the question is immorral and perverse dude. Now the damage to society and the USA as a whole will have far reaching and damaging effects as well. We will be even further along the road of chaos, debauchery, immorality and sin. Everuy little minority perversity will need to have their {censored}ing day in courst so the general popukation can "appease" them.

 

 

Ain't hurting anyone? Yes, I'm serious.

 

To answer your second question, current research shows that children of same-sex couples fare as well as children of heterosexual couples, by various measures. I can cite some of those studies if you want. In short: kids with same-sex parents aren't any more {censored}ed up than kids from hetero-couples.

 

Also, concerning your last paragraph, racists and conservatives screamed that about the idea of interracial marriage for hundreds of years. Guess the world didn't end when THAT became legal, huh?

 

Oh yeah, and they also screamed it about jazz and rock n' roll when those musics first hit the scene. Guess you people were wrong about that too.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by gdwill2u I do not mind if gays have a civil union that grants them all of the personal and couple rights that a married couple has under the law. But I do not want homosexuality taught and modeled to my children as an alternate lifestyle. Sorry, I believe it is deviant behavior and a choice. I am a christian and I know for a fact that there are ministries that help homosexuals to be restored to heterosexuality and are happily married. I also don't want sado-masochism taught as normal or acceptable, or any other perversion for that matter. Sexual deviancy is not tranformed into normalcy by a majority vote. There has never been a society that survived with a large homosexual population and there has never been a society that survived once the nuclear family was eroded. Study The Greeks and the Romans and you will see this. Our culture is on shaky ground here, and we'd better get it right. The real word is not normal it is about right and wrong. Does anyone really think it is OK or right to engage in homosexual behavior....doesn't your own heart tell you it is disgusting and wrong? Most and I have read this from many different scholars (christian and seculoar alike), most homosexuals were molested as young people. Molestation can produce very violent hard wiring in the sexual desires of the victim. That's a fact Jack.

Great post. I agree with all xcept the first sentance. That I'm not sure about because it sounds alot like marriage to me.

I think in most states gays can live together and get the tax cuts and things married people get already. In fact I was mad at the time about it because my live-in girlfriend couldn't get on my insurance but if I was gay I'd have no problem putting my boyfriend on my policy!

[SkidMarx]

Originally posted by the russ Why should I give up that argument? People like you go around screaming "It's wrong!" and picketing gay men's funerals, but I can't say "Being gay isn't hurting anyone?" That's messed up. I fail to see how a long-term, monogamous, same-sex couple defined by the law as "married" hurts anyone or anything.

are you dumb? Who is arguing they aren't allowed to be gay? If you want to spend friday night jammin your junk in your boyfriends caboose, that's your business. Not my place to tell you you can't do that. This argument is about whether they should be husband and wife. And they can be, so long as the husband is a man and the wife is a woman. Same rules apply to me. No discrimination. You people seem to think if a gay man shows up and says "but I like men, so you MUST allow me to marry him" then the rest of us are supposed to go, "sure, go ahead". NOPE. You wanna' get married then you better be marrying a person of the OPPOSITE sex. If not, then it isn't a marriage. Pretty simple. You can't just change the rules to suit yourself, and the rules for marriage are clearly defined. I will not redefine them to accomodate homosexulas desperate to be deemed "normal". They are not and will never be married OR normal. So there. 13 states have made it illegal now as a result of what that dip{censored} judge did in Massachusetts. More will follow. YIPPIE!!!!!!!!!!

[the russ]

Originally posted by gdwill2u I do not mind if gays have a civil union that grants them all of the personal and couple rights that a married couple has under the law. But I do not want homosexuality taught and modeled to my children as an alternate lifestyle. Sorry, I believe it is deviant behavior and a choice. I am a christian and I know for a fact that there are ministries that help homosexuals to be restored to heterosexuality and are happily married. I also don't want sado-masochism taught as normal or acceptable, or any other perversion for that matter. Sexual deviancy is not tranformed into normalcy by a majority vote. There has never been a society that survived with a large homosexual population and there has never been a society that survived once the nuclear family was eroded. Study The Greeks and the Romans and you will see this. Our culture is on shaky ground here, and we'd better get it right. The real word is not normal it is about right and wrong. Does anyone really think it is OK or right to engage in homosexual behavior....doesn't your own heart tell you it is disgusting and wrong? Most and I have read this from many different scholars (christian and seculoar alike), most homosexuals were molested as young people. Molestation can produce very violent hard wiring in the sexual desires of the victim. That's a fact Jack.

 

 

So many logical fallacies here.. where to start...

 

Don't want homosexuality taught to your kids as an alternative lifestyle? Then don't teach them that. But if you let your kids get raised by the television (television that has to cater to EVERYBODY for the sake of profit), then they might get the idea that being gay is OK.

 

You think homosexuality is devient? Great, so do I. I also think premarital sex is deviant and should be a fourth degree felony. Get it? Opinions are like assholes, but the Constitution must protect EVERYONE.

 

Your Greek-and-Roman analogy is totally weak. ALL great societies and empires have fallen, not just the ones that have "large" homosexual populations.

 

I think a lot of straight people, especially straight WHITE people have a persecution complex. As if affirmative action and gay marriage could begin to erode the sheer privilege all of us straight white guys currently enjoy. Gimme a break.

[gdwill2u]

Originally posted by the russ Ain't hurting anyone? Yes, I'm serious. To answer your second question, current research shows that children of same-sex couples fare as well as children of heterosexual couples, by various measures. I can cite some of those studies if you want. In short: kids with same-sex parents aren't any more {censored}ed up than kids from hetero-couples. Also, concerning your last paragraph, racists and conservatives screamed that about the idea of interracial marriage for hundreds of years. Guess the world didn't end when THAT became legal, huh? Oh yeah, and they also screamed it about jazz and rock n' roll when those musics first hit the scene. Guess you people were wrong about that too.

 

 

Compring a personal choice with a genetic fact is rediculous. This argument is spurious and silly.

 

A man cannot alter his race, and so any bias towards him at all is ignorant reprehensible, a man can choose who he has sex with.

 

In fact, young christians men are told at the height of their sexual peak to refrain from sex and even the occasion of temptation until they are married...we teach our young to control their sexual urges. We teach them to respect other first and to view woman not as an object of desire but as an object of companionship and care.....and beauty and grace...

 

See our sociaety has gone so far down the path of immorality that it is really losing the intamacy and majesty of sex...it is trading in the real McCoy for a shady and unsatisfying replica of the real thing. Young men are told it is a statement of thier manhood to have sexual conquest, and that sex is OK and needs to be engaged in and expressed. Such BS....it's the blind teaching the more blind.

[hairydangler]

Originally posted by the russ I think a lot of straight people, especially straight WHITE people have a persecution complex. As if affirmative action and gay marriage could begin to erode the sheer privilege all of us straight white guys currently enjoy. Gimme a break.

Oh so now it's a "race" issue is it? It all comes down to "Whitey" keeping the gays down. When in doubt just pull the race card. Sheesh as a white man you should know better. Rascist!

[diddlybo]

Originally posted by the russ I think a lot of straight people, especially straight WHITE people have a persecution complex. As if affirmative action and gay marriage could begin to erode the sheer privilege all of us straight white guys currently enjoy. Gimme a break.

 

 

If you think only white people can be anti-gay, then you must have no black friends.