Members markuz j Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 i heard that the 5150/6505 can get pretty close to sounding like a JCM800 but maybe with a little more gain!? is there any truth to this or are they basically completly different amps!? let me know your opinions on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members naskonja Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 on the normal input instead of the high input and the gain under half i can see some similarities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soc_monki Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 like a JCM800 pumped up on PCP...yea thats about it... using the rhythm channel can get you pretty close i think...without the crunch button on. turn up the gain a little and crank the hell out of the amp...yea, lovely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OverDriven Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Rhythm channel, crunch in, gain about half, and volume cranked sounds very much like a JCM 800. -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blinz Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by OverDriven Rhythm channel, crunch in, gain about half, and volume cranked sounds very much like a JCM 800.-Joe That's my favorite sound on a 5150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members markuz j Posted October 4, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 does the 5150 have the same response of a Jcm800? like that same marshally tone!? which would you think would sound more like an 800, the 5150 or the XXX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members danbronson Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 wow, i don't think you could pick any two class a/b heads that are further from each other. there are SOME similarities, but i wouldn't listen to a JCM800 and then go out and buy a 5150 because of it. or vice versa. i've owned both too fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members unholyaria Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blinz Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Setup as OverDriven described and EQ'd properly, yes, the 5150 can sound very close to the JCM800. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference but there are differences. I had a Marshall JMP 50 watt head w/ 4x12 cab and a 5150 combo. Side by side, you can tweak it to be pretty close. The 5150 always had a bit more "girth" to the tone, fuller and tigher low end. The cool thing was that I could tweak the 5150 to be what I had always wanted the JMP to sound like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BerkleeBill Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 -1What he said. The 5150 will always sound fuller with a tighter bottom end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Negative K3 fan Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 the gain structure might be somewhat similar, but a 5150 is way more agressive and a jcm800 is way more massive sounding. love them both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Voodoo Amps Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 i heard that the 5150/6505 can get pretty close to sounding like a JCM800 but maybe with a little more gain!? is there any truth to this or are they basically completly different amps!? let me know your opinions on this The JCM800 and 5150/6505 are completely different amps in a great many ways. In other words it's apples and oranges meaning one is not going to sound like the other. For what ever it's worthTrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dv85150fan Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 what Marshall amps did Metallica use on KEA? i can get a real sweet KEA tone on the rhythm channel , crunch in . m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Exocaster Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by dv85150fan what Marshall amps did Metallica use on KEA? i can get a real sweet KEA tone on the rhythm channel , crunch in .m/ Modded 100 watt non-master Super Lead with a dirt box- a Rat, I think- on the front end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dv85150fan Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by Exocaster Modded 100 watt non-master Super Lead with a dirt box- a Rat, I think- on the front end. thanks. m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SymenTimmermans Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by Exocaster Modded 100 watt non-master Super Lead with a dirt box- a Rat, I think- on the front end. Don't forget the 6550 power tubes. EL34's won't nail the KEA sound, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerryP Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by markuz j i heard that the 5150/6505 can get pretty close to sounding like a JCM800 but maybe with a little more gain!? is there any truth to this or are they basically completly different amps!? let me know your opinions on this Yes, the 5150 can get close to a JCM800 tone. The 5150 is based off a modded Marshall circuit. As mentioned above, rhythm channel with the crunch on and the gain kept low enough will sound like a JCM800. The 6L6's in the 5150 will make it a bit tighter and bigger in the bottom end but they'll get close enough for my ears. To the guys with sonic dog ears it won't be close enough, but most of them aren't happy with any amp anyway! Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dv85150fan Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by JerryP Yes, the 5150 can get close to a JCM800 tone. The 5150 is based off a modded Marshall circuit. As mentioned above, rhythm channel with the crunch on and the gain kept low enough will sound like a JCM800. The 6L6's in the 5150 will make it a bit tighter and bigger in the bottom end but they'll get close enough for my ears. To the guys with sonic dog ears it won't be close enough, but most of them aren't happy with any amp anyway! Jerry you hit the nail on the head JerryP. i have hardly any hearing ...i guess that's why i love my 5150II. m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Voodoo Amps Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 I recorded with Paul Curcio several times (producer, owned GFI studios in Rochester NY where Kill'em All was recorded) and according to him it the Marshalls were modded by a gentleman in LA (possibly Jose A but I cannot confirm that for sure). The amp used EL34's and they scooped the mids on the recording console at mixdown. Hope it helpsTrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BOOGIE666 Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 for God sakes stop scooping mids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dv85150fan Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by BOOGIE666 for God sakes stop scooping mids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then it wouldn't be Metalli-tone!!! m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Voodoo Amps Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 for God sakes stop scooping mids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The gentleman asked so I gave him the info he was asking for. Nothing more, nothing less. We do not advocate scooping mids but the fact of the matter is the Kill'em All record has some seriously scooped mids. Again I was simply giving him the info he requested. For what it's worth;Trace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hotcakes Posted October 4, 2005 Members Share Posted October 4, 2005 Originally posted by BOOGIE666 for God sakes stop scooping mids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members markuz j Posted October 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 5, 2005 thanx for all the replies! in pretty close to gettin my 6505 then! i will trade in my worthless XXX and see how much i can get for it and then pay the rest for the 6505! ive had the xxx for about 4 years now and i hate it! i was never Ever 100% satisfied with it no matter what i did or how i tweaked it! i will miss not having a clean channel or a footswitchable clean channel but damn, im more into Metal and the distortion counts the most! and the XXX the distortion definetly aint metal enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SymenTimmermans Posted October 5, 2005 Members Share Posted October 5, 2005 Originally posted by Voodoo Amps I recorded with Paul Curcio several times (producer, owned GFI studios in Rochester NY where Kill'em All was recorded) and according to him it the Marshalls were modded by a gentleman in LA (possibly Jose A but I cannot confirm that for sure). The amp used EL34's and they scooped the mids on the recording console at mixdown. Hope it helps Trace EL34's!!!! Who would've thought! It sounds so "American" to me, I thought it couldn't be EL34's. Cool. Our other guitarist has a modded 100w JMP w/ EL34's, can't wait to hear how it sounds paired with my Mark III :D:D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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