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Who prefers the regular Savage 120 to the Savage SE??


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Originally posted by Jase2677

I like the clips of the Savage 120 (or even the Blackmore) over the SE



I guess you are talking Savage 120 vs Engl SE (NOT Savage SE) because there are hardly any Savage SE-clips floating around.

Anyway, I own both Savages and had the SE on loan for some months and although the SE is totally kickass, I'm not selling either of my Savages to get one. :D

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Judging by the clips the Blackmore owns all. Then in order from 2nd to last. Fireball, Savage120, SE, Powerball. I'm just not digging the Powerball as much as the others by the clips. I don't even consider Tesseract's clips a good representation of that amp even though his clips are of high quality. Too much production going on in there. Something is lacking in the treble or midrange that annoys me. Not enough in your face punch. The Blackmore is like really heavy, but clean sounding which is cool.

Here is some PB Vs. Blackmore clips

Metal clip competition 1.

PB http://www.rocksolidamps.com/MP3/Powerball%20Derek%20Roddy%20Seth.mp3

BM http://www.rocksolidamps.com/MP3/Richie%20Blackmore%20CC%20Staring%20Eyes.mp3

Metal clip competition 2 Pantera.

PB http://www.rocksolidamps.com/MP3/Powerball%20Primal%20Concrete.mp3

BM http://www.rocksolidamps.com/MP3/CFH%20Blackmore.mp3


The Pantera clip of the PB isn't too bad. It sounds pretty good actually. The BM just still sounds better to me though. Has a more professional sounding kind of tone if that makes sense. The midrange just kicks ass. While the PB sounds mean in a hollow way.

This clip just kicks ass from Rocksolidamps and is the reason why I fell in love with the amp.

http://www.rocksolidamps.com/MP3/Ritchie%20Blackmore.mp3

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I guess what I'm saying is I like that it seems you have to work with the BM to get that edge where as any Joe shmo can sound heavy using a PB. The 5150 is like that too. Pretty much anyone can sound heavy, but their is a catch your either going to sound heavy in a fuzzy undefined way or tweak it too {censored} and get that awsome professional crunch.

IMHO, I think that is why alot of Metal players on here or in general turn away from the Blackmore and just get a Powerball, because they can just plug in and get a heavy tone. Where as they have to work with the BM and have decent chops to make it heavy as hell. Sorta like a boosted Marshall Jcm800. Not too many everyday metal players can make them sound heavy, because of their chops and their need of super gain to sound ''heavy''. Yes some of them want to have some hide behind a wall of fuzz we all know that.

Oh and I know I seem like a hipacrit, because I own a 5150. But take this into consideration I had it modded for less gain. Where as most of the time people wanted more gain from their amps or the ''there is never enough gain'' mentality. I personally want just enough gain to sound crunchy and have my playing and attitude do the rest.

Oh and I'm not saying the only people buying a PB have no chops or have a {censored}ty taste in tone. It's {censored}ing good for what it does if I got one for free I wouldn't sell it. Oh and who knows this is just coming from word of mouth and clips. I could be {censored}ing wrong and think the PB sounds better than all ENGL's if I get a chance to play them.

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Originally posted by EmgEsp

Judging by the clips the Blackmore owns all. Then in order from 2nd to last. Fireball, Savage120, SE, Powerball.



Judging from what I have heard with my own ears :eek: , the Savage 120 still is the top of the heap, closely followed by the Blackmore and the Savage SE. :p Yes, even for metal tones.

The Blackmore is a touch brighter then the 120 but I think the 120 is tighter and when turned up it cuts thru a mix like there's no tomorrow.

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Originally posted by LordRiffenstein



Judging from what I have heard with my own ears
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, the Savage 120 still is the top of the heap, closely followed by the Blackmore and the Savage SE.
:p
Yes, even for metal tones.


The Blackmore is a touch brighter then the 120 but I think the 120 is tighter and when turned up it cuts thru a mix like there's no tomorrow.



Probably because of the KT-88's. That is why it will be tighter for sure.

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originally posted by EmgEsp

And the crunch in this BM clip is an ultimate wood producer.


http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/M...d51a2682c4efb82


If this was recorded exactlly the same meaning no special studio magic behind it, but with a better recording setup I could imagine how huge it would sound.



Haha! Whoa, that's my Carcass clip! I didn't know what it was gonna be when I clicked on it. :D Thanks for the compliment man! All I used there was a Shure SM57, no post EQ or anything. My favorite clip of the Blackmore is this one...

http://www.rocksolidamps.com/MP3/Derek%20Axel%20River.mp3

That other one you posted called "Ritchie Blackmore" is also badass.

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to me, the best two engls are the savage 120 and blackmore...for anyone that does not need lots of options, the blackmore KILLS!...if you want to spend more and have more options, get a savage 120...they sound different..however, the voicing is really close..the tubes are really the only difference i hear...i like both tones exactly the same...i just love the fact i can get SO many different tones with the savage 120!

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