Members musicdog400 Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Today I legally burned (through Rhapsody) the first CD of Miles Davis Bitches Brew. The charge was .79 * 2 = 1.58 Somehow that doesn't seem fair to Miles (though he probably isn't that concerned at the moment....), especially considering the depth and complexity of the first two songs. Perhaps the answer is for artists to chop up their works in 3 minutes pieces, for the CD index, so they count as more songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Very little of the recording industry is fair to artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gethsemane Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 i guess that depends on the contract they sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 How can you tell what's "fair" just by the amount you're paying? You need to know how much the artist is actually making to know whether it's "fair" or not. Perhaps his estate makes more from the downloaded tunes than from packaged discs? And of course, once you found out the amounts, what is "fair" is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Big Hair Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 well - no physical CDs & cases - no artwork - no distribution - no sales staff - no record shop so probably this is the amount that goes to the artist normally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Silent Heart Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by squealie Very little of the recording industry is fair to artists. If people make even $1 off of music they wrote, they should be grateful. It's not like anybody owes them anything. I don't understand how artists (Courtney Love springs to mind) could have the chutzpah to criticize an industry that makes them rich and that they are 100% willing participants in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gethsemane Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Silent Heart If people make even $1 off of music they wrote, they should be grateful. It's not like anybody owes them anything. I don't understand how artists (Courtney Love springs to mind) could have the chutzpah to criticize an industry that makes them rich and that they are 100% willing participants in. really? if im getting screwed it doesn't matter if it's 100 million or 100 billion, im still getting screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MitchSchaft Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 That "industry" wouldn't be around without the aritst, though:confused:. That being said, I don't buy music anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WillShrdForFood Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 I have over two gigs of music I didnt pay a dime for. You shouldn't feel too bad for just ONE album. I have about 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Silent Heart Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by gethsemane really? if im getting screwed it doesn't matter if it's 100 million or 100 billion, im still getting screwed. Well yes, but in what sense are artists getting screwed (assuming their labels aren't actually doing anything illegal)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diddlybo Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Silent Heart If people make even $1 off of music they wrote, they should be grateful. It's not like anybody owes them anything. I don't understand how artists (Courtney Love springs to mind) could have the chutzpah to criticize an industry that makes them rich and that they are 100% willing participants in. No one owes them anything? What do you think a copyright and publishing rights are for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gethsemane Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Silent Heart Well yes, but in what sense are artists getting screwed (assuming their labels aren't actually doing anything illegal)? something can be unethical but not necessarily illegal but there's always wiggle room though. im sure some of those contracts are unconscionable contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by WillShrdForFood I have over two gigs of music I didnt pay a dime for. You shouldn't feel too bad for just ONE album. I have about 50 Great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by diddlybo No one owes them anything? What do you think a copyright and publishing rights are for? Oh no, artists deserve nothing. Only people who produce tangible goods like hamburgers and stuff should be paid for their work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squealie Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Silent Heart If people make even $1 off of music they wrote, they should be grateful. It's not like anybody owes them anything. I don't understand how artists (Courtney Love springs to mind) could have the chutzpah to criticize an industry that makes them rich and that they are 100% willing participants in. When a VERY high percentage of Gold and Platinum selling artists end up OWING the record companies money, something is unfair.The recording industry functions in much the same way that loan-sharks do.That's the point I was speaking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dark Angel Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Silent Heart I don't understand how artists (Courtney Love springs to mind) could have the chutzpah to criticize an industry that makes them rich and that they are 100% willing participants in. Actually, they're not willing participants.Record companies are pimps. In the music realm, us ho's can't get stability without finding a pimp.The pimp then beats the {censored} out of us and tells us we owe THEM money.You can't do it alone, even when you are established. Remember Pearl Jam boycotting Ticketmaster..... well uh when was their last tour?If you play guitar and have sex for fun... you're fine alone. If you want to make money from it, you need to find a dirty assed pimp.Worse, there use to be lots of pimps, but over the last 15 years, the pimps have had major wars and now only a handful, the worst and meanest, of the pimps are left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diddlybo Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Angel Actually, they're not willing participants. Record companies are pimps. In the music realm, us ho's can't get stability without finding a pimp. The pimp then beats the {censored} out of us and tells us we owe THEM money. You can't do it alone, even when you are established. Remember Pearl Jam boycotting Ticketmaster..... well uh when was their last tour? If you play guitar and have sex for fun... you're fine alone. If you want to make money from it, you need to find a dirty assed pimp. Worse, there use to be lots of pimps, but over the last 15 years, the pimps have had major wars and now only a handful, the worst and meanest, of the pimps are left. Strap on that git-tar and go make me some money, bitches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by diddlybo Strap on that git-tar and go make me some money, bitches! I don't know why, but I really like those pants! Very cool color and they look warm, soft and fuzzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cloudnine Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 PJ is on tour now as I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diddlybo Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by Bob Savage I don't know why, but I really like those pants! Very cool color and they look warm, soft and fuzzy. Its what all the fashion savvy pimps are wearing this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted December 21, 2005 Members Share Posted December 21, 2005 Originally posted by diddlybo It s what all the fashion savvy pimps are wearing this season. Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ancient Mariner Posted December 22, 2005 Members Share Posted December 22, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Angel Actually, they're not willing participants.Record companies are pimps. In the music realm, us ho's can't get stability without finding a pimp.The pimp then beats the {censored} out of us and tells us we owe THEM money.You can't do it alone, even when you are established. Remember Pearl Jam boycotting Ticketmaster..... well uh when was their last tour?If you play guitar and have sex for fun... you're fine alone. If you want to make money from it, you need to find a dirty assed pimp.Worse, there use to be lots of pimps, but over the last 15 years, the pimps have had major wars and now only a handful, the worst and meanest, of the pimps are left. Maybe the present copyright system is actually unethical, and music requires a different approach? It seems to me that giving a band huge sums of money (for those that DO get rich) and supporting their egos so that they can progressively destroy their lives is more unethical than pirating music. Unfortunately I can't see a good way of supporting new and existing talent on 'reasonable' income outside of record sales and tour/merchandise income, even without the big labels greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Silent Heart Posted December 22, 2005 Members Share Posted December 22, 2005 Originally posted by Bob Savage Oh no, artists deserve nothing. Only people who produce tangible goods like hamburgers and stuff should be paid for their work. I'm not saying that illegal, copyright-violating downloads are good. I'm saying that assuming everything happens legally, there is no reason for artists to complain about anything; they should be flattered that anyone cares to listen to their music at all. Is it bad if people beat up the owner of a hamburger stand and steal his hamburgers? Of course. Does he deserve customers to go there are buy his hamburgers? Of course not. Are customers being unethical if they take advantage of coupons or their powers of choice as free consumers? Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted December 22, 2005 Members Share Posted December 22, 2005 Originally posted by Big Hair well - no physical CDs & cases - no artwork BOO! - no distribution - no sales staff - no record shop so probably this is the amount that goes to the artist normally! You're probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted December 23, 2005 Members Share Posted December 23, 2005 Originally posted by Silent Heart Is it bad if people beat up the owner of a hamburger stand and steal his hamburgers? Of course. Does he deserve customers to go there are buy his hamburgers? Of course not. Are customers being unethical if they take advantage of coupons or their powers of choice as free consumers? Of course not. This isn't even comparable for many reasons, unfortunately, I don't have the time to go into it right now so maybe somebody who's good at pointing out false analogies will pop in. Time to do some mixing... adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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