Members wanky Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 im getting a DSL head soon, i needa decided between the 100 and 50 watter so: so supposedly theres only a 3 decibel difference in terms of volume between the 2. hows much of a noticeable difference have u noticed? tell me about it How much do u crank, asumming that preamp volume is maxed out, to start pushing the power section into distorting, cuase i barrowed one, but the only place i could use it is my bedroom so i couldnt find out myself? and is the DSL50, enough power(which i belive is plenty) to play really loud hardcore/metal/punk/alternative/rock for a somewhat large venue with 300 ppl how far do u have to crank a DSL100 to equal the volume of a DSL50 cranked all the way? What are some benefits of having the extra 50watts of power on the DSL100 besides having more headroom? Are there any reliablity isuees u've had with them? u can bash, or recomend but etheir way im gonna get one, but tell me the noteable differences between the 50 and 100waters, kthanx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wanky Posted December 29, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 bump, i better see a alota replies tomarow when i check this site again, anything, recomendation or bashing is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I'm not a fan of DSL's, but as a genral rule, 50 watts are practical for any purpose IMO, I've never had a use for 100 watt heads and usually pull 2 power tubes from them, and I've noticed barely any difference volume-wise. You'll probably be mic'ed and driven through a PA with several kilowatts of power, making it a complete non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkyhighRocks Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I had a 50 and now own a 100. The 100 just has a better clean due to more headroom...but not that big a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Badside Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I've only owned the 50, but let me just tell you this: 50W is more than enough! Whenever I get to "crank" that puppy past 3, I'm pissing everyone off! Even in larger venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TS808 Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I own a DSL 50 Head. Great head and loud. If you need mor clean head room don't buy a Marshall.....lets face it Marshall's ar for distortion. I mike my amps whether its for 10 people or a 1000 so watts are not that big of a deal. A dimmed 50 watt amp pushing air thru a 4 X12 is very very loud. Anyway which on to buy? The 100 watt version of course!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why? If your kid is under 21 years of age then loud is never loud enough and lets face it - every kid wants a 100 watt amp! Good luck and remember to get him or u some ear plugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAtomicJeff Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I've owned both. The 50 is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BerkleeBill Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 Your ears may vary, but to me, 50wt amps have a more perceived midrange than 100wt amps. Myself, I prefer 100wt tops due to the punchier/beefier low-end. Might be subtle to some, but to me, it makes the world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members victory_304 Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 The DSL is a great amp. I've pulled 2 of the tubes on my 100w, and there is very little difference in volume or power tube breakup. The master volume needs to be on '4' or better to start getting power tube saturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Attila Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I used to have a DSL50 ---- when I was shopping, I A/Bd it with a DSL100 through the same cab. Honestly, to me there was no noticeable difference in tone. -Attila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Marshall Freak Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I've owned both, and prefer the extra push, and balls of the 100. There isn't much volume difference at all, but IMHO, the 100 has better tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DannyM Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I had both the DSL 50 the DSL 100. I prefer the 100. Its meatier, thicker, more in your face. It just feels and sounds like it has more balls than the 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LaXu Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I used to have a DSL50 but it was way too loud for my purposes (mostly home use, even though neighbours are not a problem I don't want to ruin my hearing) even with an attenuator. It sounded best with the volume on 5-7. I have to admit I wish I had tried the amp -> dummy load with line-out -> separate poweramp -> cab setup before selling the amp because that would've solved the volume issue well. I thought it was a good sounding and versatile amp. Another plus is the way it's easy to service due to the external bias measurement points. If I were shopping for an amp like that now I'd propably go with the Orange Rockerverb heads. They sound good at low volumes and have a very fat British tone. A bit different from the Marshall but definitely in the same ballpark. Very nice clean channel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jarick Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I've found, as a general rule, that higher wattage amps make more of a difference in frequency response and dynamics than in volume. For example, when I crank a DSL100, it puts out a lot more bass and has a lot cleaner sound than when I crank a Univalve. The volume difference between the two isn't quite as dramatic, although you're starting to talk a difference of 10 times as many watts. The 3 decible difference that a lot of people talk about really only pertains to theoretical differences in volume. This relies on the assumption that there is no distortion, which is of course impossible, especially when cranking a tube amp. In reality, you're going to find the higher wattage amps will have more dynamics (less power tube compression), more clean headroom (less power tube saturation), and more bass (more available power to move the speakers). This isn't necessarily good or bad. For modern metal and rock, if you want a lot of bass and a tight, snappy sound, you'd like a higher wattage amp. You can't get that tight "chug" out of a Univalve like a Dual Rec. For blues, you want that singing, soaring, fat and round tone. You will get it a hell of a lot easier and better out of a Univalve than a Dual Rec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wanky Posted December 29, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 thanx ppl:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 I've owned both, and IMHO the 100 watter just sounds better. Might I suggest saving ones pennies for a THD Hot Plate> Thats what I use with it, and its a great sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Get the DSL50--less cost on the price, less costs for retubing, and half as many tubes means half as much heat, thereby reducing failures due to overheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LaXu Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 Originally posted by Jarick In reality, you're going to find the higher wattage amps will have more dynamics (less power tube compression) I have to disagree about this. There are many lower wattage amps that have exceptional dynamics and higher wattage amps that have little dynamics. For example the Peavey XXX/JSX have a very compressed tone even on clean settings, but my 15W Stephenson head cleans up well even with higher gain and volume settings simply by picking softer, without touching the volume control on the guitar. Out of the Orange Rocker(verb) amps the 30 watt Rocker 30 was definitely the most dynamic. The bigger heads were more compressed even on clean tones. In a way you are of course right, with higher wattage amps the poweramp starts compressing later on but the compression inherent in the amp before high gain or poweramp saturation gets into the equation makes a big difference. Higher wattage amps do tend to have more "thump" and tightness to them. Between a 50 and 100W amp I don't think difference is much but between something like a 15 watter and a 100W amp it's noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wanky Posted December 29, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 Originally posted by GuitslingerTim Get the DSL50--less cost on the price, less costs for retubing, and half as many tubes means half as much heat, thereby reducing failures due to overheating. i guess thats why the DSL100 has 2 heat vents and the DSL50 has none, but i still find it weird that they didn't even put one, cuase the TSL60 that has the same tubes has one, but still theres nothing wrong as long as it doesn't over heat, that must have been the best poosible design for it to have none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members willy22 Posted December 29, 2005 Members Share Posted December 29, 2005 Originally posted by TS808 If you need mor clean head room don't buy a Marshall.....lets face it Marshall's ar for distortion. My other guitarist uses a DSL100. I really like his clean tone. Not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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