Members buddastrat Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 http://www.monteallums.com/Stretch_Tuning_DW.html Anyone wants to improve their guitars' tuning, check this out. It's cheap and works great. I think it's better than the f'ugly Earvana and way cheaper than Feiten. It's similar to the Feiten idea. Move up the nut and tune with offsets. But you don't have to mod your guitar at all. Just stick next to the fret and file slots in it. You can remove it in a second. I installed the bone version last night and tuned it up, and man how much nicer everything sounds down by the nut. I still have monster high action as I need to file the slots down, but the open strings are much more in tune with the fretted notes just by moving the nut forward. Amazing. I didn't even do my intonation or put new strings on yet, but the tuning is better. I can play an E or an open G chord and not have to cringe at either. Wow. They also offer tuning offsets which will further sweeten up the tuning. I haven't tried that, but just moving up the nut is a big improvement. This is also a solution to the Floyd guys here. You can improve the tuning greatly with this thing. I've read about how the nut should be moved for years. PRS did something about it, but most companies don't seem to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted December 31, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Bump for good {censored}. You guys should check this out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ragnvald Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 I have the eNut on my serious guitar (RG7620). I think it did wonders to evening out the intervals. I can play any chord, anywhere on the neck and have it sound good now. I removed the shims and just have it installed by the force of the strings - no glue or anything. It's just worked fret-wire though, cut and filed down. So you could basically make this yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members :cool: Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Originally posted by ragnvald I have the eNut on my serious guitar (RG7620). I think it did wonders to evening out the intervals. I can play any chord, anywhere on the neck and have it sound good now.I removed the shims and just have it installed by the force of the strings - no glue or anything.It's just worked fret-wire though, cut and filed down. So you could basically make this yourself. Did you have to deepen the nut slots in your locking nut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted December 31, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Originally posted by ragnvald I have the eNut on my serious guitar (RG7620). I think it did wonders to evening out the intervals. I can play any chord, anywhere on the neck and have it sound good now.I removed the shims and just have it installed by the force of the strings - no glue or anything.It's just worked fret-wire though, cut and filed down. So you could basically make this yourself. Great to hear. Yes it's just getting it the right width as frets come in so many sizes. Do you use the offsets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stratotone Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 This is something that always puzzled me about all of these... if you aren't using open strings, how is it making your notes stay in tune better? Once you fret a note, ANYTHING you do at the nut isn't going to matter, unless your nut was cut too high and you're stretching the string. Now, the tuner offsets can help... I have the peterson strobosoft installed on my PC, and it has some 'sweeteners' that seem to work well. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted December 31, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Well Pete that's the idea about moving the nut forward, to lessen the sharpness with the early frets and the open strings which has always been a bug up my ass. Not being able to play an open E chord or a G chord in tune without retuning. I think, like you said, the offsets are what will help compensate for the other stuff. Or maybe it all works in synergy. I don't know, but I just know I hear my guitar sounding better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ragnvald Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 No, I didn't have to do that. I also don't lock the down too hard anymore, like you shouldn't do anyway. The locks kind of act as a finger, freting the 0-fret. Very much like a capo would. With all the shims removed, the piece of wire kind of merges seamlessly with the regular nut. And the great thing is that the nut action is always optimal, no lower or higher than that fret. Anyway, the eNut is fully reversable, you don't have to glue it on or anything. buddastrat: I found that when using a floating bridge, the offsets are necessary, however I just tune by tuner/ear these days. I start with finding the A and tune everything in respect to that. It seems to work. But the offsets are a good start. I have recently locked my trem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted December 31, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Cool. I don't have tuner capable of those offsets, so I'm going by ear and it's working out nice. I just use a traditional trem, but of course my tele is hardtail. But there were some people bitchin' about earvana not giving the Floyd users any love. Well this is it right here. this is super cheap but a great fix. I wonder how it does on acoustics? I have nice Alvarez Yairi and it needs some fine tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Owens Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 I have a numerous guitar and none of them seem to have this problem where I hear things out of tune on the guitar..I have a peterson and I can watch it to see where things are at... either everybody in here uses those needles tuners ( which dont work) or there hearing something that doesnt exsist...I dont have a problem with GBE on my guitars at all.. and once I dial it in..its pretty much done...only time I mess with the intontaion is when i change strings and move the sizes around.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted December 31, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Dave, what if you just don't hear it? It's a known problem. I hear it on all kinds of records and cds. On this Los Lonely Boys CD I cringe everytime that guy plays an F chord on this one song. Dan Erlewine is a Feiten guy for years. He's the top o' the list when it comes to setups and fine tuning. I've used a strobe many times. I use my ears though and it's always a compromise. do I tune for open strings, or do I tune for fretted notes? It depends on the song. I'm sick of bending notes and avoiding others when playing live. We had a discussion a while back about this. I know you don't condone these tuning inventions, but like I said I hear it on recordings all the time. EVH always noted how much of a problem the guitar's tuning. He used to tune specific for each song and actually write around how he was tuned. Take Runnin' with the Devil, if you tune to play it and make it sound good, you can't play an open E chord, it will sound like dick. Because the B string needs to be tuned flat to accomadate the third of the chords in the main riff. What this enut does is make it so the open string is treated as a fretted notes so all fretted notes sound more in tune. With the above method or Feiten you can play Runnin w/devil and play open chords and they all sound better. I do have a Hamer U.S. strat that has pretty good tuning. I've read in the past that Hamer does some sort of compensation. Don't know how true it is. PRS as well. But most companies don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dave Owens Posted December 31, 2005 Members Share Posted December 31, 2005 Originally posted by buddastrat Dave, what if you just don't hear it? It's a known problem. I hear it on all kinds of records and cds. On this Los Lonely Boys CD I cringe everytime that guy plays an F chord on this one song. Dan Erlewine is a Feiten guy for years. He's the top o' the list when it comes to setups and fine tuning. I've used a strobe many times. I use my ears though and it's always a compromise. do I tune for open strings, or do I tune for fretted notes? It depends on the song. I'm sick of bending notes and avoiding others when playing live. We had a discussion a while back about this. I know you don't condone these tuning inventions, but like I said I hear it on recordings all the time. EVH always noted how much of a problem the guitar's tuning. He used to tune specific for each song and actually write around how he was tuned. Take Runnin' with the Devil, if you tune to play it and make it sound good, you can't play an open E chord, it will sound like dick. Because the B string needs to be tuned flat to accomadate the third of the chords in the main riff. What this enut does is make it so the open string is treated as a fretted notes so all fretted notes sound more in tune. With the above method or Feiten you can play Runnin w/devil and play open chords and they all sound better. I do have a Hamer U.S. strat that has pretty good tuning. I've read in the past that Hamer does some sort of compensation. Don't know how true it is. PRS as well. But most companies don't. __ I use my strobe when I practice..so it goes guitar - strobe- amp....(its a junk Berhinger. w/ dist..) so I dont use effects to get it to sound nasty...but I watch my strobe all the time when I do setups and I do a harmonic at the 12th and I take one at the 7th ..and thats about it..if it works at those two spots..the rest of the notes more or less fall right in.I mean there is "in tune" and there is "dialed in" ...to me when I dial it in..its starts to do different things..the guitar has flow to it and you cant put it out of tune..or if you do its really close to bringing it back around to where its perfect...when its intune..its simply close..and needs some work to make it "spot on"...I play hard too..and I yank the {censored} out of the neck and huge heavy strings to keep it in tune..( 13,15- 60 )...I wrap the post and go back around and under the string and its locked..or I use a FR nut..so it wont float at all..I even use one with a stock Fender trem.( I need to shoot some pics.)..but I dont have any problems with notes anywhere on the neck..its there off a "tiny" bit..its not going to heard thru a raging 4x12 ..I dont care what someone uses...its up to them.. but to me..I only have a problem with wearing a nut out...and thats about it..I hate bone..and Im slowing switching them all to a metal nut...I used the Earvana..and I hated it..I went back to a FR and it worked so much better..EVH from what I remember hated the Strobe ..I dont know if he uses one at all..I have seen some pics of him next to one..so I dont know.I talked to my friend..( he uses one on his LP ) and he seems to think its not that big and improvment...( He's also met Feiten as well.) and was going to go thru the course and be a certified installer...( he passed on this.)..He still uses his Earvana..but only becasue he hasnt removed it...he's also using some graf-tech saddles..I dont think its that big a deal..but if someone wants to think it makes that big a deal..what ever floats your boat..I dont seem to have a problem...buy a strobe and work with it...see what how close you can get..im cleaning my guitars. so when I do ill take some shots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ratter Posted January 1, 2006 Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 Originally posted by buddastrat http://www.monteallums.com/Stretch_Tuning_DW.html Anyone wants to improve their guitars' tuning, check this out. It's cheap and works great. I think it's better than the f'ugly Earvana and way cheaper than Feiten. It's similar to the Feiten idea. Move up the nut and tune with offsets. But you don't have to mod your guitar at all. Just stick next to the fret and file slots in it. You can remove it in a second. I installed the bone version last night and tuned it up, and man how much nicer everything sounds down by the nut. I still have monster high action as I need to file the slots down, but the open strings are much more in tune with the fretted notes just by moving the nut forward. Amazing. I didn't even do my intonation or put new strings on yet, but the tuning is better. I can play an E or an open G chord and not have to cringe at either. Wow.They also offer tuning offsets which will further sweeten up the tuning. I haven't tried that, but just moving up the nut is a big improvement. This is also a solution to the Floyd guys here. You can improve the tuning greatly with this thing. I've read about how the nut should be moved for years. PRS did something about it, but most companies don't seem to care. That's pretty damn cool - didn't realize anybody sold anything like this. Did you get a quote on a Feiten install? I've been wondering how much it costs - I figured it wouldn't be too much with their new shelf nut. Damn, that nut slotting tool for $10 is pretty sweet too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted January 1, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 Ratter, I got that nut tool, and probably shouldn't have. It's not that great for slotting. I took it to a tech for final finishing on the slots. I don't have real fine files for that. I still keep thinking about just biting the bullet and buying a good set of files for $100 or so. It'll save me in the long run and it's a good skill to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buddastrat Posted January 1, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Owens __ I use my strobe when I practice..so it goes guitar - strobe- amp....(its a junk Berhinger. w/ dist..) so I dont use effects to get it to sound nasty...but I watch my strobe all the time when I do setups and I do a harmonic at the 12th and I take one at the 7th ..and thats about it..if it works at those two spots..the rest of the notes more or less fall right in.I mean there is "in tune" and there is "dialed in" ...to me when I dial it in..its starts to do different things..the guitar has flow to it and you cant put it out of tune..or if you do its really close to bringing it back around to where its perfect...when its intune..its simply close..and needs some work to make it "spot on"...I play hard too..and I yank the {censored} out of the neck and huge heavy strings to keep it in tune..( 13,15- 60 )...I wrap the post and go back around and under the string and its locked..or I use a FR nut..so it wont float at all..I even use one with a stock Fender trem.( I need to shoot some pics.)..but I dont have any problems with notes anywhere on the neck..its there off a "tiny" bit..its not going to heard thru a raging 4x12 ..I dont care what someone uses...its up to them.. but to me..I only have a problem with wearing a nut out...and thats about it..I hate bone..and Im slowing switching them all to a metal nut...I used the Earvana..and I hated it..I went back to a FR and it worked so much better..EVH from what I remember hated the Strobe ..I dont know if he uses one at all..I have seen some pics of him next to one..so I dont know.I talked to my friend..( he uses one on his LP ) and he seems to think its not that big and improvment...( He's also met Feiten as well.) and was going to go thru the course and be a certified installer...( he passed on this.)..He still uses his Earvana..but only becasue he hasnt removed it...he's also using some graf-tech saddles..I dont think its that big a deal..but if someone wants to think it makes that big a deal..what ever floats your boat..I dont seem to have a problem...buy a strobe and work with it...see what how close you can get..im cleaning my guitars. so when I do ill take some shots... Well I've used strobes and prefer to use my ear, and tune to the specific song I'm playing as I already said. Strobes are great, but they don't take into account the guitar's specific string gauge, the player's fretting pressure, the nut action, the fret width etc... The final result is what I care about and my ears are going to tell me that. I think that it comes down to if we can hear it or not. To me, those chords in Runnin' with the Devil sound so good because Ed wrote it around that tuning. Jamie's Cryin' is the same way. He was genius at figuring out how to truly use the guitar. The guitar was tuned specifically to those chords and it has that real even sound. And if it's off, that's gonna show even more through a loud 4x12. The dissonance and beating of certain intervals will be very clear unless your tone is wet, effected mud. On most guitars, The first few frets play a little sharp, even with a great setup and a strobe. A cheap tuner will show this. On a strobe it will show in detail just how sharp it is. A strobe is not gonna magically fix that sharp note, it's still gonna be sharp. Go ahead and intonate the guitar perfect at the 12th fret. Those first few frets will still be sharp. even with the guitar reading perfect at the 12th fret on the newest 2006 Cheesegrinder Strobeomatic tuner. - on most guitars. BTW, anyone can be a certified Feiten retrofiter. All you gotta do is pay the $ for the kit off the site. BF is in it for the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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