Members LordOVchaoS Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 After seeing these: http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLUME-MIZER-VOLUME-CONTROL-BOX-GET-YOUR-DESIRED-TONE_W0QQitemZ7414750804QQcategoryZ41422QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem for the millionth time I'm wondering if it's worth a shot. I've read that they do absolutely nothing and I've read that they actually do work. I would probably be building my own rather than buying the one on ebay so it may cost me $10 at the most. Is it worth a shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members freakk guitarist Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 it depends, depends on what kind of effects loop you are using, it worked on my friends classic 50, tried it with my powerball when i had it, and im not sure if it did anything, if the effects loop is series i think it should work, if it doesnt work like its supposed to, the least it will do is smooth out the huge volume jump most tube amps have between 0 and 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordOVchaoS Posted May 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by freakk guitarist it depends, depends on what kind of effects loop you are using, it worked on my friends classic 50, tried it with my powerball when i had it, and im not sure if it did anything, if the effects loop is series i think it should work, if it doesnt work like its supposed to, the least it will do is smooth out the huge volume jump most tube amps have between 0 and 1. That may be a good thing! The volume knob on my recto is like an on/off switch!!! There's no moderate volume level for it, turn the knob slowly and it's like: quiet fizz... quiet fizz... quiet fizz... BOOM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Giga Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 I like to play with a volumepedal in the loop of my amps, this is basically the same. I have to add though that you'll need a well buffered loop or you'll notice a good amount of tone-sucking. So, to answer your question: yes, it is. depending on the loop used. Giga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordOVchaoS Posted May 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by Giga I like to play with a volumepedal in the loop of my amps, this is basically the same. I have to add though that you'll need a well buffered loop or you'll notice a good amount of tone-sucking. So, to answer your question: yes, it is. depending on the loop used. Giga. So what both of you guys are saying is that I need to get the series effects loop mod done on my recto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Giga Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by LordOVchaoS So what both of you guys are saying is that I need to get the series effects loop mod done on my recto No, actually a volumedevice in a parallel-loop enables you to determine how much of the signal remains unaltered, i.e. setting a minimum volume. I use my pedal with my UL that way and that works out great ! Giga. Edit: you might have to fine-tune the value of the pot in the pedal/box though cause it may have a "wrong" taper. This gives you as mooth reaction on the pedal volumewise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordOVchaoS Posted May 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by Giga No, actually a volumedevice in a parallel-loop enables you to determine how much of the signal remains unaltered, i.e. setting a minimum volume. I use my pedal with my UL that way and that works out great !Giga. Hmmm... good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RupertB Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 The only thing I don't like about these is the sellers insinuation (he doesn't say so explicitly) that you can get the sound of a cranked amp (driving your power section hard) at low volumes using his device. You can't. The only way to do so is to use an attenuator between your OT & speaker. If you have a non-master volume amp with an effects loop, this device will act as a master volume, allowing you to run the preamp into overdrive while attenuating the signal that drives the power section. If you have a master volume amp, I'm not sure what benefit you hope to or will derive from this box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordOVchaoS Posted May 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by RupertB The only thing I don't like about these is the sellers insinuation (he doesn't say so explicitly) that you can get the sound of a cranked amp (driving your power section hard) at low volumes using his device. You can't. The only way to do so is to use an attenuator between your OT & speaker.If you have a non-master volume amp with an effects loop, this device will act as a master volume, allowing you to run the preamp into overdrive while attenuating the signal that drives the power section.If you have a master volume amp, I'm not sure what benefit you hope to or will derive from this box. So since my recto isn't a master volume amp you're saying I may benefit a bit from it? Or IS it a master volume amp? I haven't quite had the time to figure this thing out yet. Does the Output knob work the same as a master when the loop is engaged? If so I guess it'd eliminate the need for this knobby thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CliffC8488 Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 This thing is just a master volume. If your amp is a master volume already it won't do anything you can't already do. A Recto is already master volume. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lorax Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 It really is just a volume pedal in the effects loop. A good effect loop with a EB 6181 25k pot volume pedal will do the same thing and give you more "on the control" fly. They can be bought cheap and will resell well if you dont like it - a better choice if you use any pedals at all. I personally love having a volume pedal in the effects loop on stage. Just is so versatile in so many ways - shut off for axe changes, pull back on slow songs or passages that need less volume but retain the gain structure......But to use it permanently as this claims - seems ridiculous....It just doesnt do anything to allow you to turn up the volume more. I suppose if you want to use it as bedroom volumes from that initial volume jump - it could be useful - but it wont help you go from say, 2 to 4 on the master or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LaXu Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by LordOVchaoS So since my recto isn't a master volume amp you're saying I may benefit a bit from it? Or IS it a master volume amp? I haven't quite had the time to figure this thing out yet. Does the Output knob work the same as a master when the loop is engaged? If so I guess it'd eliminate the need for this knobby thing. The Recto is a master volume amp. The Output knob propably does pretty much the same thing. In any case the ONLY benefit the volume box has is that if your amp has a very touchy master volume (0 -> 0.1 = loud) then the box can be used for more gradual control, but it won't let you drive the amp harder or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LordOVchaoS Posted May 22, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Originally posted by CliffC8488 This thing is just a master volume. If your amp is a master volume already it won't do anything you can't already do. A Recto is already master volume. CC So my output knob IS a master volume? Explain. I know all the channel volumes are LABLED "Master" but without the effects loop engaged they are your only volume controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hal9000 Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 The OUTPUT knob will do the same thing as a volume pot in the loop although it's actually after V4:B, where the loop volume would be after V4:A. Since I don't have an OUTPUT knob on my F-100, I cooked up this simple mod to do the same thing: You could do the same thing of course, but there's really no reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted May 22, 2006 Members Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yeah, I built one, it can help some things by evening out the volume jump, but other than that, thats about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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