Members Mr Roboto Posted January 21, 2010 Members Share Posted January 21, 2010 I have the sysex files on my PC. I have my USB/MIDI cable hooked up. However, the instructions I have refer to software, but do not explain what software I need to make the dump. I tried the search function, but we all know how that turned out. Help me!!! EDIT: Okay, I'm using MIDI-OX. I have selected my output device, and chosen the SYSEX file I want to send. Now I'm stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted January 21, 2010 Members Share Posted January 21, 2010 In MIDI-OX: open Options > MIDI devices and make sure your MIDI ports actually show up in Port Mapping. Also, make sure your USB MIDI cable is hooked up with the USB MIDI out connected to the M1's MIDI in. MIDI goes out of the computer in to the synthesizer. Lastly, make sure that your M1 doesn't filter out system exclusive signals (if it even has that option). Dive through the MIDI settings menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Spleencage Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 yes to Yoozerand make sure your host sequencer has not filtered out sysex.also, I am not sure about the M-1, but a lot of devices need both MIDI in & out hooked up (handshake) for it to transfer properly.And if you are playing the sysex data from a sequencer playing it in real time, dont play back faster than 60 BPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Okay, I did this: Set your M1 as follows in the global section:Midi channel to 1Memory protects to OFFMidi filtering excl: ENA; 100/100 mode The PC and M1 are communicating fine, because whenever I hit a key on the M1, it shows in the MIDI OX monitor output window. So, I select Actions - Send - SysEx File, select the file I want to load, and hit okay. The file data appears in the monitor window, but does not transfer to the M1. Please understand, I'm completely new to this MIDI stuff. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 First, follow what my good friend Yoozer already said But there are a few other things I want to point out for the M1: Go to the M1: "GLOBAL" --> hit "PAGE +" until you get to the "MIDI FILTERING" page; there, make sure the parameter "EXCL" is set at "ENA" (enable) instead of "dis" disable) by selecting it with the "G" or "H" key under the display, and changing the parameter with the UP/DOWN buttons then hit "PAGE +" a few more times until you get to the "Memory Allocation" menu: if you intend to load the original patches, since those are sets of 100, you need to set it at "100PROG/100COMBI/4400SEQ" - If it's set at 50PROG/50COMBI/770SEQ it won't work; then press "EXEC". Also, in MIDI-OX make sure the "Pass SysEx" setting is checked: that your MIDI interface is selected then open up the sysex command browse to the M1 sysex you want to send and it should go. Let us know if you have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 First, follow what my good friend Yoozer already said But there are a few other things I want to point out for the M1: Go to the M1: " GLOBAL" --> hit " PAGE +" until you get to the " MIDI FILTERING" page; there, make sure the parameter " EXCL" is set at " ENA" (enable) instead of "dis" disable) by selecting it with the "G" or "H" key under the display, and changing the parameter with the UP/DOWN buttons then hit " PAGE +" a few more times until you get to the "Memory Allocation" menu: if you intend to load the original patches, since those are sets of 100, you need to set it at " 100PROG/100COMBI/4400SEQ" - If it's set at 50PROG/50COMBI/770SEQ it won't work; then press " EXEC". Also, in MIDI-OX make sure the "Pass SysEx" setting is checked: that your MIDI interface is selected then open up the sysex command browse to the M1 sysex you want to send and it should go. Let us know if you have problems. Thanks Paolo. Yes I should have been clear. I already set the midi device, and it shows up in port mapping. Everything checks out according to what you and Yoozer said, and I do everything as you instructed, but nothing seems to happen. Should the M1 be set to a specific function before I do this? I just have it set to PROG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 It seems that I'm doing everything right, but nothing is getting through to the M1. I'm stumped. Maybe something is wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 It doesn't matter if the M1 is in PROG or COMBI or other mode.... it should receive the sysex a few more troubleshooting points: - What USB-MIDI interface are you using? Some of them, for my experience, can be a bit weird with older equipment like the M1 - For example, I had an M-Audio Uno that wouldn't transmit anything to the D-50. Also, those cheap no-brand eBay USB-MIDI interfaces ... - what happens when you send the sysex to the M1?: do you get a "File Progress" window with a green bar that goes fine til the end, or are you getting a "SysEx Output Devices: The port is transmitting data to the device. Wait until the data has been transmitted, and then try again" If that's the case, go to the MIDI-OX "Options" --> "Configure Buffers" and set the "Low Level Output Buffers" to 128 instead of the default 256 (too fast for the M1 to handle) - is the sysex file you are using a good one? Try this attached, which I have in front of me and am able to load in my M1 perfectly. It's the original, classic M1 patch set - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 I just noticed this you wrote: "The PC and M1 are communicating fine, because whenever I hit a key on the M1, it shows in the MIDI OX monitor output window. " Reverse the MIDI cable. Go from your MIDI interface MIDI OUT to the M1 MIDI IN. Currently you have set it the opposite way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 I just noticed this you wrote:"The PC and M1 are communicating fine, because whenever I hit a key on the M1, it shows in the MIDI OX monitor output window. "Reverse the MIDI cable. Go from your MIDI interface MIDI OUT to the M1 MIDI IN. Currently you have set it the opposite way Yeah, it's a MIDI interface I got cheap off Ebay. On one end is the USB plug. This connects to a small device with 3 LEDs on it, a red one, a green one, and a yellow one. Coming out of it are two MIDI cables. One says MIDI IN, and the other says MIDI OUT. I've tried hooking the IN cable, and the OUT cable in to all 3 of the M1s jacks (IN, OUT, and THRU) and sending the SysEx, but nothing worked. I may be wrong, but since the MIDI interface has an IN and OUT plug, doesn't that mean it can send and receive without having to switch the cables? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 - what happens when you send the sysex to the M1?: do you get a "File Progress" window with a green bar that goes fine til the end, or are you getting a "SysEx Output Devices: The port is transmitting data to the device. Wait until the data has been transmitted, and then try again" If that's the case, go to the MIDI-OX "Options" --> "Configure Buffers" and set the "Low Level Output Buffers" to 128 instead of the default 256 (too fast for the M1 to handle)- Yes, I get the file progress window pop up. The green bar goes all the way across, and finishes without a problem. I'll try lowering the buffers to 128 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Does it matter if I already have some data saved in the M1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Yeah, it's a MIDI interface I got cheap off Ebay. On one end is the USB plug. This connects to a small device with 3 LEDs on it, a red one, a green one, and a yellow one. Coming out of it are two MIDI cables. One says MIDI IN, and the other says MIDI OUT. I've tried hooking the IN cable, and the OUT cable in to all 3 of the M1s jacks (IN, OUT, and THRU) and sending the SysEx, but nothing worked. I may be wrong, but since the MIDI interface has an IN and OUT plug, doesn't that mean it can send and receive without having to switch the cables? no, you have to have both MIDI IN and OUT, for different purposes. When you are sending data from the synth to the computer - for example, if you want to save your patches to a file on your computer- you would go from the synth MIDI OUT to the interface MIDI IN. In your case, you want to do the opposite: you want to send a sysex file that is on your computer TO the synth For this, take the cable that says "MIDI OUT" on your usb interface and plug it into the M1 MIDI IN this is all you need to send the sysex from the computer to the M1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Does it matter if I already have some data saved in the M1? Nop, it doesn't matter - it will overwrite to anything that's already there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 . I may be wrong, but since the MIDI interface has an IN and OUT plug, doesn't that mean it can send and receive without having to switch the cables? sorry, I misunderstood here.. But basically, for now, leave the M1 MIDI THRU alone. That's only needed if you have another synth or MIDI device to connect in series You just want to plug the USB-MIDI interface MIDI IN ---> Korg M1 MIDI OUTUSB-MIDI interface MIDI OUT ---> Korg M1 MIDI IN then yes, you don't have to switch cables for communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 sorry, I misunderstood here.. But basically, for now, leave the M1 MIDI THRU alone. That's only needed if you have another synth or MIDI device to connect in series You just want to plug the USB-MIDI interface MIDI IN ---> Korg M1 MIDI OUT USB-MIDI interface MIDI OUT ---> Korg M1 MIDI IN then yes, you don't have to switch cables for communication. OK, that's how I originally had it, and how I currently have it. Sorry to be a pain, but I've run out of ideas. It's just not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Look at the drivers you installed for your USB-MIDI interface If you're using Windows XP - go to the Device Manager and make sure it installed correctly... sometimes these cheaper models don't... if you have the classic "yellow exclamation point" it could be clashing with some other software in your computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Also, try Bome SendSX instead of MIDI OX http://www.bome.com/products/sendsx It's much simpler but it's dedicated to send sysex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 In Bome you only need to select your USB-MIDI interface for IN and OUT: Then browse to the M1 sysex file and hit send It's slower than MIDI-OX, but simpler to use.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Paolo, I checked the device manager, and no problem there. I also tried using Bome SendSX with basically the same result as with MidiOx. The software thinks it sent the SysEx successfully, but nothing changes on the M1. I'm beginning to think there might be a problem with the M1 itself. I'm going to take it to my local music store, and see if they have any better luck, assuming they have the facilities to upload MIDI data. Thanks for all the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Paolo, I checked the device manager, and no problem there. I also tried using Bome SendSX with basically the same result as with MidiOx. The software thinks it sent the SysEx successfully, but nothing changes on the M1. I'm beginning to think there might be a problem with the M1 itself. I'm going to take it to my local music store, and see if they have any better luck, assuming they have the facilities to upload MIDI data. Thanks for all the help. Any time It is possible that the MIDI IN port on the M1 went bad - however, I am more inclined to say it's the (sorry!) USB-MIDI interface got on eBay. Before you take the M1 to be checked, I would try with a different USB-MIDI interface if you can. Perhaps if you go to your local music store - they will have one for you to test it with... Like I said before, I used to have a cheaper Uno and it "just didn't work" with another older synth, the Roland D-50. But when I used another MIDI interface, same settings, it worked. It was the MIDI interface ----> http://www.synthmania.com/d-50.htm and scroll to the end to read about it.. ALSO NOTE: SOME MIDI INTERFACES DON'T SEEM TO WORK WITH THE D-50 - This had me scratching my head! I was trying to load patches from Sonar to the D-50 via an M-Audio "MIDISport Uno" interface: I have used this handy little interface extensively with my laptop and never had any problem. BUT, with the D-50, THE "UNO" DOES NOT WORK, no matter what settings on the ttseq.ini file. After an hour of trying and getting MIDI errors, I switched to my older M-Audio USB MIDISport 1x1, and that WORKS FINE. In the past, I used an Opcode MIDI Translator that also worked fine. And I will try with the MIDI on the M-Audio FireWire 1814 and will report about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 26, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 SUCCESS!! :rawk: I stopped by my local music store and spent a few more bucks on an M-Audio Midisport Uno USB/MIDI interface. Turns out that was the problem. The one I got off Ebay must be a piece of junk. Now I can download anything in seconds!! Thanks to everyone for the help, especially Paolo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 SUCCESS!! :rawk: I stopped by my local music store and spent a few more bucks on an M-Audio Midisport Uno USB/MIDI interface. Turns out that was the problem. The one I got off Ebay must be a piece of junk. Now I can download anything in seconds!! Thanks to everyone for the help, especially Paolo!!! I knew it! You know why? The Korg M1 is really well built. I would have bet it was the eBay interface rather than the M1 MIDI port gone bad... Anyway, congratulations! Now you can play "Gypsy Woman" (patch 17 without the chorus and reverb), the Seinfeld theme (patch 46), pretty much every piano-based House song of the 1990s (patch 41), the NPR Marketplace them (patch 00) and sooo many others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 26, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 I knew it! You know why? The Korg M1 is really well built. I would have bet it was the eBay interface rather than the M1 MIDI port gone bad... Anyway, congratulations! Now you can play "Gypsy Woman" (patch 17 without the chorus and reverb), the Seinfeld theme (patch 46), pretty much every piano-based House song of the 1990s (patch 41), the NPR Marketplace them (patch 00) and sooo many others The Seinfeld theme eh? What about Night Court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted January 26, 2010 Members Share Posted January 26, 2010 The Seinfeld theme eh? What about Night Court? The Night Court theme came before the Korg M1 came out - Night Court started production in 1984 according to Wikipedia - The M1 came out in 1988. And since you jest about the Seinfeld theme, young synth practictioner.... Here's a video I just made, to dispel your doubts K8LDID6j5rs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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