Members augerinn Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Here's my epic version. http://www.box.net/shared/i3bmv9gs5q That sounds pretty damm good to my ears, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members perturbo Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 That sounds pretty damm good to my ears, at least. It did conform... Definitely not cast out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Geddy plays the part on the OB-X in the video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu9Ycq64Gy4 Yes he's playing an OB-X, my error. But he is playing split parts and the OB-X does not have a split function. The OB-Xa does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Here's my epic version. http://www.box.net/shared/i3bmv9gs5q That works. I doubt that anyone would kick you off the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WorknMan Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Has anybody tried using this to create sounds for Subdivisions? http://www.sonicprojects.ch/obx/testimonials.html This is by far my favorite song ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikael488 Posted January 27, 2010 Members Share Posted January 27, 2010 Yes he's playing an OB-X, my error.But he is playing split parts and the OB-X does not have a split function. The OB-Xa does. I know that the OB-Xa has that feature but it seems to me that he's using the same sound for both the bass and chord parts, with the Taurus doubling the bass. What makes you so sure he is playing split parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I know that the OB-Xa has that feature but it seems to me that he's using the same sound for both the bass and chord parts, with the Taurus doubling the bass.What makes you so sure he is playing split parts? I created those patches on many synths over the years. They are way too different to not be split parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I don't think Geddy ever had an OB-Xa or OB-8... he certainly didn't when Subdivisions was recorded. Back then he had an OB-X, Oberheim 8-voice, a Minimoog, a Taurus and probably a few other synthy bits. I'm guessing the bass part is doubled on the Taurus, and the chords are either layered with the 8-voice or recorded separately and effects added. Or it's just a matter of keytracking. The filter seems more "open" on the bass parts than on the chords, and setting a low filter keytracking will do this. Unless you're trying to nail the sound exactly, it'll sound fine with a single patch. EDIT: I'm listening to Subdivisions right now. I'm thinking now that the chords are the OB-X (a fairly soft brass patch), while the bass is the same patch, doubled by the Taurus giving it a fatter sound. So what you think is a split is really the Taurus bass layered on. To replicate this on a modern synth, you would need to split and add a "Taurus" layer to the bottom octave of the keyboard. Unless you happen to have a Taurus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 According to the Geddy Lee Wikipedia page, Geddy has used the following: Keyboards and synthesizers Over the years, Lee's keyboards have featured synthesizers from Oberheim (Eight-voice, OB-1, OB-X, OB-Xa), PPG (Wave 2.2 and 2.3), Roland (Jupiter 8, D-50, XV-5080, and most recently a Fantom X7 on the Snakes and Arrows tour), Moog (Minimoog, Taurus bass pedals, Moog Little Phatty, and Yamaha (DX7, Yamaha KX76). Damn, now I can't decide if I want to watch the R30 DVD this weekend or Show of Hands! (the clothes dryers turning on stage for R30 drive me crazy:mad:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikael488 Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 EDIT: I'm listening to Subdivisions right now. I'm thinking now that the chords are the OB-X (a fairly soft brass patch), while the bass is the same patch, doubled by the Taurus giving it a fatter sound. So what you think is a split is really the Taurus bass layered on. To replicate this on a modern synth, you would need to split and add a "Taurus" layer to the bottom octave of the keyboard. Unless you happen to have a Taurus. That's exactly what I think too. Geddy was also using an OB-Xa at the time though, you can see it in the background of that video (under the Jup-8). Afaik, he mostly used the OB-Xa with the DSX sequencer and Taurus pedals (the Taurus was interfaced with the OB-Xa), at least on tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Tonight I'll pop in my concert DVD and see what he is playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 (the clothes dryers turning on stage for R30 drive me crazy:mad:).For Snakes and Arrows, they have chicken rotisseries on stage. Maybe not as crazy, but it might make you hungry. P.S. I never knew he used a Jupiter-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 What he used on tour isn't necessarily what he used in the studio. Especially if the concert DVD you have is several years later... "hey look, he used a Fantom X7 and a Little Phatty!" :DFor Snakes and Arrows, they have chicken rotisseries on stage. Maybe not as crazy, but it might make you hungry. My concert DVD was a few years after they recorded Subdivisions and there is definitely an OB-Xa at that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mikael488 Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Here's couple of photos from the Signals tour (fall '82 to spring '83): As you can see in both photos the OB-X, Minimoog and Taurus are all facing the crowd while the OB-Xa, DSX, TR-808 and Jup-8 are positioned to Geddy's left side. If you compare the above photos to the following live footage from the Signals tour, where "Subdivision" is being performed, it sure looks like Geddy's playing the chords on the synth facing the crowd (with other words, the OB-X) while at the same time playing the bass accompaniment on the Taurus pedals. This doesn't necessarily mean that the same synth was used for the chords on the recorded version but..... (pause the video at 1:55 or thereabouts) So whaddya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Shameless I know, but this would do it: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2546599 In fact it has a pretty accurate Tom Sawyer sweep in the default patches. Anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members playstation Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Has anybody tried using this to create sounds for Subdivisions? http://www.sonicprojects.ch/obx/testimonials.html This is by far my favorite song ever OP-x is cool. Here's some of the Camera Eye I did with it a while back. http://www.box.net/shared/qo5uybetlc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 Shameless I know, but this would do it: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2546599 In fact it has a pretty accurate Tom Sawyer sweep in the default patches. Anyway... I have OP-X and can vouch for its sounds. The Andromeda has a completely crappy Tom Sawyer sweep in the presets. I created one that's 1000 times better in about 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 I think it's the best vintage emulation I've used aside from the Creamware synths, but those are running on DSP boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr Roboto Posted January 28, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 OMG, what the hell can of worms did I open up here? As it turns out, as I was wading through the hundreds of patches I downloaded for the M1, I came across one that was very close. It's not perfect, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use it live. It does the bass and chords well enough without having to use more than one patch. My wife was never a fan of Rush, and now she thouroughly HATES this song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted January 28, 2010 Members Share Posted January 28, 2010 My wife just hate listening to me compose. Once the piece is finished, she usually likes it quite a bit, but listening to me with 4 measures looped trying different sounds, or doing sound design drives her crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 29, 2010 Members Share Posted January 29, 2010 I spent some time putting together a Subdivisions patch on my Andy. The key to getting that thick sound seems to be a combination of detuning and liberal use of chorus. I don't have it exact but I have something that sounds pretty good for use in the song. When time permits I'll post a sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted January 29, 2010 Members Share Posted January 29, 2010 I spent some time putting together a Subdivisions patch on my Andy. The key to getting that thick sound seems to be a combination of detuning and liberal use of chorus. I don't have it exact but I have something that sounds pretty good for use in the song. When time permits I'll post a sample. I'd love to hear that sample when you get time, I really like some of the sounds you coax out of that lovely beast of a machine. Ref: the chickens turning for the Snakes&Arrows concert:facepalm: being a vegetarian I might just turn off the video & listen. btw, how is that concert DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 29, 2010 Members Share Posted January 29, 2010 I don't have the DVD. I saw them live a couple summers ago. Once I have the Subdivisions patch tweaked to my satisfaction I'll post a clip. One thing I love about the Subdivisions sound is how warm and "syrupy" it sounds. I came of age on those sounds in the 80s, and now I'm discovering how it was done, and doing it myself. I really need to get the remasters, my Chronicles CD set is fairly crappy sound quality wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted January 29, 2010 Members Share Posted January 29, 2010 Well I watched the DVD. They left off Subdivisions on the DVD release. Bastids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted January 29, 2010 Members Share Posted January 29, 2010 There is clearly a conspiracy at work here. I've decided to go with Show of Hands in the DVD today, for a bit of nostalgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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