Members tangerine Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Is it a hoax? the pictures of XF is looking strange.I cant se anything about a new Motif XF on Yamahasynth.com , just something about "Inspiration comes in a flash"No I do not think this is a new Motif at all, but it would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sani Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 I guess the Motif XF is simply a "face lift" of the current XS model and I don't see anything wrong about that. The same as with cars which get a facelift and some modest changes after about two years. The changes are probably not enough big for current xs owners but are maybe tempting for current es owners or others who are into buying a workstation. When it comes to a discussion about inovation, please, let's be serious. The workstation has a clear target: it's the gigging musician who needs sample based acoustic and electronic sound emulation, multitimbral setups, the ability to load his own samples, use the intstrument in the studio or record some scratch ideas on the on board sequencer. I'm sure, at least 90% of workstation users really don't care about some ultra deep synthesis or multiple synthesis engines which they anyway don't have time to master it properly. It's a mainstream instrument. Anybody who needs something "exotic", the market really offers anything for anybody. Strangely, nobody expects from a virtual analog to emulate an acoustic piano. So why would a workstation have to cover even the wildest synthesis dreams and be inovative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miket156 Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 by sani:I guess the Motif XF is simply a "face lift" of the current XS model and I don't see anything wrong about that. I agree. Originally Korg had released the M3 and later updated the sounds and added more features. From what I read when it first came out, a lot of owners thought it wasn't quite a finished product. But Korg didn't fall asleep at the wheel, they made a significant upgrade to the M3 and current owners were happy and it lured new buyers. I suppose Yamaha was due for another upgrade to keep pace with the competition. Mike T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Is it a hoax? the pictures of XF is looking strange. I cant se anything about a new Motif XF on Yamahasynth.com , just something about "Inspiration comes in a flash" No I do not think this is a new Motif at all, but it would be nice. This is not a hoax. Yamaha will formally reveal the product on August 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wave rom increased to 741MB 128 new voices (user1) 128 new performances (user1) 8 new drumkits 1248 new arp styles 32 new masters 128MB SD RAM on board for samples optional flash boards, max 2*1GB improved file management new keyboard action user definable LCD colour scheme drum kit edit within mixing mode optimised category search TAP tempo function FYI-loading time for flash is approx 2.4 seconds for 1MB. 512MB takes about 20mins to load I hope your all paying attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Ditto:http://www.gearjunkies.com/news_info.php?news_id=5336 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members avl_digital Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Do you think that a Motif Rack XF will be released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ddash Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'll pass,but I do love yamaha sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnHKart Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Think there's any possibility existing XS boards will be able to do some kind of upgrade to an XF? No, because then you wouldn't need to buy, and Yamaha wouldn't be selling an XF. (or an ES if you could just upgrade the original/classic, or an XS if you could just upgrade the ES). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gaul Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm well impressed with approximately doubled internal wave memory compared to XS. Impressive 741 MB onboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burster Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 Do you think that a Motif Rack XF will be released? I don't see why not since there has been a rack for every other Motif version. It will just be awhile so Yamaha can sell more XF keyboards at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted July 29, 2010 Members Share Posted July 29, 2010 OK, we are camped out side Bert Smorenburg's studio. The windows have steamed up, I think I see arm's flying round, that must be a video demo shoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'm well impressed with approximately doubled internal wave memory compared to XS. Impressive 741 MB onboard!Indeed. The XS already had the best onboard ROM sample set going, I'm curious what they improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'm well impressed with approximately doubled internal wave memory compared to XS. Impressive 741 MB onboard! ROM must be expensive - otherwise I don't know why we're still talking about MB and not GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -groovatious- Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 +1 Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 And I wonder about instruments like the P'08, which offers 256 RAM locations. And the GAIA, which offers a whopping 64 presets and 64 user locations. And the Moog LP, which has room to store a staggering 128 sounds on board. I mean, where can you even buy so little RAM? These synths are just storing data, not even samples. How much RAM does it take to store 64 presets in a GAIA? Is Roland recycling memory modules from instruments from 1994? I just bought 4 GB of RAM for my iMac for about $80. You can buy 256 MB DIMMs for like five bucks. How many GAIA patches could you store in 256 MB? Hundreds? Thousands? And I just realized the GAIA doesn't have any kind of LCD screen to name patches. Are you kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 Let's move on to pricing speculation. What do you think about this point? Will the price remain the same? Or will there be an increase? For me it doesn't matter unless the price is It seems as though ever since the "big three" started coming out with cheaper versions of their instruments (MM6, MO6, MO8, etc.) the prices of the top workstations have been creeping up. As someone who uses computer-based sequencing, recording, and sampling, I have no interest in workstations. And I find rack versions to be tedious to work with. Editing multis on a one-space rack with a dinky screen and triple-function buttons just cramps my style. And if I am going to use a software editor I might as well just use a software instrument. Give me a 61-key keyboard with the XS sounds for ~ $1,000 and I'll buy it tomorrow, Yamaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Miket156 Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 by Syntec:Let's move on to pricing speculation. What do you think about this point? Will the price remain the same? Or will there be an increase? This upgrade might up the price a couple hundred bucks at the get go. Its a nice way for Yamaha to keep the price up there. The Korg M3 started out a little higher priced than the Motif line, but I suppose it wasn't flying off the shelves so Korg lowered their prices. The 88 note M3 is about a grand less than the Motif XS8. The Motif line packs a lot of bang for the buck. Cheers, Mike T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CfNorENa Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 Give me a 61-key keyboard with the XS sounds for ~ $1,000 and I'll buy it tomorrow, Yamaha.But what about your new M3? Or your new Omnisphere? For someone whose online persona is all about musicianship and playing, you do seem to have trouble escaping your inner gearslut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 But what about your new M3? Or your new Omnisphere? For someone whose online persona is all about musicianship and playing, you do seem to have trouble escaping your inner gearslut! I had had a Motif 6 (circa 2001) that was my main keyboard rompler. I have always been a Yamaha fan, and really do enjoy the Motif sounds.The Motif was pretty well beat up - I played the crap out of it for nine years. I really wanted to buy a Motif XS6, but honestly couldn't afford it. I came across a NEW Korg M3 61 at NovaMusik in Milwaukee for $1,464 and jumped on it.I really do like the M3 - all of the current generation machines are wonderful. But - if I'd been able to get an XS for the same price, I would have gone with it.I can't say for certain, but if I had a nice, well-built keyboard with the XS sound library in it I would probably sell my M3.(By the way, I sold a Motif Rack and Fantom XR to raise the cash to get the M3. And then I sold my old Motif 6 and used the money to get Omnisphere. I can only feed my GAS by selling things these days. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CfNorENa Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 I had had a Motif 6 (circa 2001) that was my main keyboard rompler. I have always been a Yamaha fan, and really do enjoy the Motif sounds. The Motif was pretty well beat up - I played the crap out of it for nine years. I really wanted to buy a Motif XS6, but honestly couldn't afford it. I came across a NEW Korg M3 61 at NovaMusik in Milwaukee for $1,464 and jumped on it. I really do like the M3 - all of the current generation machines are wonderful. But - if I'd been able to get an XS for the same price, I would have gone with it. I can't say for certain, but if I had a nice, well-built keyboard with the XS sound library in it I would probably sell my M3. (By the way, I sold a Motif Rack and Fantom XR to raise the cash to get the M3. And then I sold my old Motif 6 and used the money to get Omnisphere. I can only feed my GAS by selling things these days. ) Yeah, I think many of us are in a similar boat. And -- in case it wasn't clear -- I was just havin' a little fun with you. Your ratio of musical talent to gear acquired is probably in the 99th percentile amongst the members of these forums (I'd be happy if I were in the top 50%!), so I don't think you need to justify any of your acquisitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CfNorENa Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 On a related note, I'm seeing a veritable flood of Motif XSs on my local craigslist the last couple of days. I wonder if lots of savvy, well informed owners are trying to unload them now before the XF drives prices down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 And I wonder about instruments like the P'08, which offers 256 RAM locations. And the GAIA, which offers a whopping 64 presets and 64 user locations. And the Moog LP, which has room to store a staggering 128 sounds on board. I mean, where can you even buy so little RAM? These synths are just storing data, not even samples. How much RAM does it take to store 64 presets in a GAIA? Is Roland recycling memory modules from instruments from 1994? I just bought 4 GB of RAM for my iMac for about $80. You can buy 256 MB DIMMs for like five bucks. How many GAIA patches could you store in 256 MB? Hundreds? Thousands? And I just realized the GAIA doesn't have any kind of LCD screen to name patches. Are you kidding me? HiIn part, and I am not excusing any of the makers, this has to do with the processors they use.They will go for certain overall design and then build to that price to suit.It's a bit like buying a PC last year you could have the fastest processor, but look at the power drain. Today they have lower power version built on a different micron design. It allows them to stuff the big design into a smaller space.The Music industry is in a different world and moores law is not so obvious as they often employ asic design, in part to simplify and use more machine code type software with low latency.That's why Korg tweaked the build of the OASYS, as it used a Pentium IIRC. Even then some aspects where never as good as what they achieved on the M3 using ASIC type design (control resolution, sequencer resolution)For small Synth small ram on these non PC CPU's can cost more.I don't want to kick of a technical debate, but to sum up, yes it can be disappointing on certain capacities but I appreciate the other advantages of latency and low cost of bespoke design, often low power too.e.g. Power Consumption:130 Watts - for Korg OASYS30 Watts for the existing Yamaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 Except you do know that all the essential sound processing on OASYS is NOT done by P4 CPU, but rather Korg's custom DSPs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DmitryKo Posted July 30, 2010 Members Share Posted July 30, 2010 I just bought 4 GB of RAM for my iMac for about $80. You can buy 256 MB DIMMs for like five bucks. How many GAIA patches could you store in 256 MB? Hundreds? Thousands? Probably yes, but would you like the idea of losing them completely on power off? Digital synthesizers store patches in Dallas-type non-volatile SRAM memory backed by a lithium battery. This allows for years and decades or permanent storage and unlimited number of writes. However such modules top at 512 Kbytes AFAIK, since SRAM is not exactly cheap. DRAM is much cheaper, but since it needs to constantly refresh its cells, it has much higher power drain and sot it wouldn't store data for years in a completely unattended mode. Give me a 61-key keyboard with the XS sounds for ~ $1,000 and I'll buy it tomorrow, Yamaha. I'd say MO line will most certainly get a refresh now that XS is going to be discontinued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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