Members Son of HuHefner Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 why buy a micro-sampler when you can own the original that started it all (I haven't used mine in a LONG time but may need to break it out): It does almost everything the Kronos does anyway and weighs (and costs) a hell of a lot less. It doesn't have an atom processor though. why can't I facebook with the SK-1 ??? Isn't it nothing more than computer + software ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 Well, I'd say the Kronos doesn't have the same build quality as the Oasys, Or the same price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 well the reason for the Korg Microsampler is because you can get any sound you want.plus with the microsampler you could even sample from VST,SoftSynths and I learned pitchbending is possible if you plug a midi keyboard controller into it. How long would it take you to do a Grand Piano sample that sounds as good, from one end of the keyboard to the other, as any in the Kronos? Where would you find this piano? What mics would you use? You're going to, by yourself, sample every instrument used in the Kronos in an attempt to SAVE MONEY? Where will you find all these instruments to sample in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 But if I had designed the control surface of the Kronos, I'd have given it the same recessed sliders/faders as the Oasys, the same pitch bend / modulation joystick with separate X-axis mechanism, I would have kept the Oasys/M3's drum pads, I would have given it the fatter buttons and knobs of the Oasys and a big data wheel with a distinct notchy movement, and I would have given it a 10.4" tilting touch screen -- even if it raised the cost of production and MSRP by a few hundred dollars. Depends how much more it would of cost. I probably would have paid $500 more for all of that. Not much more though. And for many other people? $3K (for those getting the standard discounts as opposed to full retail) is a very high price point as it is. They don't just have to build these things, they have to sell them as well. At some point you're sitting in the design room and saying "OK, what all do we have to do to make this thing come in at Price Point X?" And you start making the necessary compromises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 well the reason for the Korg Microsampler is because you can get any sound you want.plus with the microsampler you could even sample from VST,SoftSynths and I learned pitchbending is possible if you plug a midi keyboard controller into it. Dude, just get the Meowsic. It's got the perfect piano sound for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoink Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 For build quality or design elements? There is a vast difference. Build quality is type of metal, number of screws, no moving parts, etc. I hate the OASYS design in terms of build (but absolutely love the aesthetics of it). The OASYS has huge gaping holes in the side that allows dust, moisture, etc. It's funny that you should mention the end cheeks of the Oasys, since to me it's one of the more obvious differences between the Oasys and the Kronos as far as build quality is concerned. What you describe as sides with "huge gaping holes" are actually very rugged end cheeks, where workstations tend to take the most damage from transporting and particularly from falling. Meanwhile, the Kronos has shiny plastic end cheeks that just don't seem very durable. They remind me of the end cheeks on my K5000S. Maybe they are more durable; I don't know how thick they are. But I think most people would agree that the end cheeks are points in Oasys's favor, as far as build quality goes. As for the display, it's affixed and tucked away on the Oasys when you put it away and transport it. So, no essential difference there. Anyway, I'm going to stop there, as I don't want to sound like I have it in for the Kronos, which is definitely not the case. I actually LIKE the Kronos a lot. I just wanted to like it even more than I do, as far as its ergonomics and physical design are concerned. I'll still probably get one, as there's just too much to like about it. It's an amazing synthesis of technology, and I like it even more with every chance I get to sit down to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoink Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 My inclination is to leave the Oasys out of it, since it was originally priced at a much higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 Quoted from above: Yep. Personally, I've never actually seen an Oasys in real life. But I have no doubt it has much better hardware and more options. But for people to bitch that a $3K keyboard doesn't have what a much-more-expensive one has is silly. Some of the Kronos feels a bit chintzy to me. I'd like it have most of the things you've mentioned. I only feel like it's going to be a matter of time before one of the un-recessed faders gets busted off at a gig, for example. But I also understand WHY it doesn't have every possible feature known to man. I'd have paid another $500 for it to be a bit more "solid". But that's just me. There's already a ton of people who won't/can't pay what it costs now. But it's an amazing board for $3K, IMO. For anyone to think it's not worth $3K because it they didn't somehow manage to get another $500-$1000 worth of "build quality" in there is being silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoink Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 Yep. Personally, I've never actually seen an Oasys in real life. But I have no doubt it has much better hardware and more options. But for people to bitch that a $3K keyboard doesn't have what a much-more-expensive one has is silly.Some of the Kronos feels a bit chintzy to me. I'd like it have most of the things you've mentioned. I only feel like it's going to be a matter of time before one of the un-recessed faders gets busted off at a gig, for example. But I also understand WHY it doesn't have every possible feature known to man. I'd have paid another $500 for it to be a bit more "solid". But that's just me. There's already a ton of people who won't/can't pay what it costs now.But it's an amazing board for $3K, IMO. For anyone to think it's not worth $3K because it they didn't somehow manage to get another $500-$1000 worth of "build quality" in there is being silly. Well, I actually *do* think it's worth $3K, so none of my comments were intended to undermine its value. I'm just one of those people who would pay an extra $500-$700 for a certain build quality and a larger display, and I know I'm not in the majority on that one. So to be clear, I'm not bemoaning the price of the Kronos. I'm saying charge me more and give it a bigger screen and better sliders. At the same time, I understand how difficult it must have been to meet that $2999.00 price point. When you get down to it, something always has to give, compromises have to be made, and I'm glad Korg didn't skimp on the performance specs. When I think about how much I paid to fully expand my Triton and K2500, and then I adjust for inflation on top of that, the technology in the Kronos is well worth the price tag. But ask any car buyer, for example, if the design and feel of the seats, dashboard, and steering wheel matter, and they'll tell you it does. I wanted an Oasys very much when they were in production, and always hoped that Korg would release a more affordable workstation with the same essential features. And they've done just that, so no complaints. I played the Oasys at the local GC on a semi-regular basis for what amounted to several years (they had one perpetually on display, which it always seemed was being abused by somebody's 5 year old brat running wild). This thing was like a Range Rover, Lincoln Continental, and Lamborghini all rolled into one. So my hopes for the Kronos were really based on that longing, and the one thing above all that REALLY sold me on the Oasys was that large touch screen and the way it tilted upward for easy access and viewing. If Korg would just change that one feature, I wouldn't care about the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 21, 2012 Members Share Posted February 21, 2012 Well, I actually *do* think it's worth $3K, so none of my comments were intended to undermine its value. I'm just one of those people who would pay an extra $500-$700 for a certain build quality and a larger display, and I know I'm not in the majority on that one. So to be clear, I'm not bemoaning the price of the Kronos. I'm saying charge me more and give it a bigger screen and better sliders. At the same time, I understand how difficult it must have been to meet that $2999.00 price point. When you get down to it, something always has to give, compromises have to be made, and I'm glad Korg didn't skimp on the performance specs. We're thinking alike here. I would have paid more, and I wonder if they couldn't have done like Yamaha has done and released a top-of-the-line Kronos and then some "baby brothers" that are more affordable? I understand it costs a lot more to do that, and they want to have their top board be price-competitive with Yamahas--and the Kronos-61 is ALREADY $600 more than the XF6--but still.... .....I woulda bought it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 We're thinking alike here. I would have paid more, and I wonder if they couldn't have done like Yamaha has done and released a top-of-the-line Kronos and then some "baby brothers" that are more affordable? I understand it costs a lot more to do that, and they want to have their top board be price-competitive with Yamahas--and the Kronos-61 is ALREADY $600 more than the XF6--but still.... .....I woulda bought it.... but then I would bitch and whine for 6 months that ' its too expensive ' and more kittens might die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 but then I would bitch and whine for 6 months that ' its too expensive ' and more kittens might die Then you could go out and buy the KK6 for $1200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 Then you could go out and buy the KK6 for $1200. I was starting get a new bitch/whine on about that until I googled KK6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vito Corleone Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 She's probably working on an endorsement deal with Korg as we speak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Synthaholic Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think the OP is really Anderton, just {censored}ing with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 but then I would bitch and whine for 6 months that ' its too expensive ' and more kittens might die Won't somebody please think of the kittens?? *sob* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members airship71 Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 If this is the same guy, it explains a lot.[video=youtube;OvHoAg9eEHI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvHoAg9eEHI&feature=player_embedded#! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members McHale Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 my only comments on the video: 1. If you're going to have your junk in front of the camera front and center while wearing pajamas, WEAR UNDERWEAR. 2. That is a complicated rig. However, give the man props for having the knowledge and insight to take what he had and make it work. I did that too when I first started out. -Mc p.s. just checked his HC profile. That's him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Casio Man Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 If this is the same guy, it explains a lot. [video=youtube;E7I-eZMi9Hg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7I-eZMi9Hg&list=UU_vdrdj9uexn8k_2p34yPGw&index=29&feature=plcp Of course, not quite as remarkable talent, than Shane Lee but promising nevertheless:[video=youtube;GPk4woPWtFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPk4woPWtFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members liliththekitten Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 [video=youtube;mwJl8Vr2Sq8] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoink Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 [video=youtube;nHRERLEM2eE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHRERLEM2eE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 Another thread about a laptop + Controller>Kronos? Go get a clue! If I have to go into detail by what I mean, then you are only looking at dollar signs and marketing. As far as build quality, yeah I'm a touch disappointed. The buttons feel CHEAP. Though the kicker is the CROOKED SW1/SW2 buttons. Really just inexcusable for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sir Cecil Figg Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 It's funny that you should mention the end cheeks of the Oasys....What you describe as sides with "huge gaping holes" are actually very rugged end cheeks.... Meanwhile, the Kronos has shiny plastic end cheeks that just don't seem very durable. They remind me of the end cheeks on my K5000S. Maybe they are more durable; I don't know how thick they are. But I think most people would agree that the end cheeks are points in Oasys's favor.... Is this how the Korg fetish phenomenon gets started, by references to 'cheeks' on the Oasys & 'huge gaping holes'? This thread may be a clinical starting point for studying the mysterious Korg fetish. The next step of course, would be to attempt a clinical description of the Korgasm. A Kronos Korgasm sounds enduring. Or a Triton Korgasm? That sounds huge. An Oaysys Korgasm sounds calm & peaceful. How about a Wavestation Korgasm? Wow!What about a porn movie, The Story of O1W? A Trinity Korgasm sounds divine yet sinful, a m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted February 22, 2012 Members Share Posted February 22, 2012 Another thread about a laptop + Controller>Kronos? Go get a clue! Actually it's a cheap sampler keyboard > Kronos thread, that's what makes it most amusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted February 23, 2012 Members Share Posted February 23, 2012 Actually it's a cheap sampler keyboard > Kronos thread, that's what makes it most amusing That's what it's degenerated into perhaps as a joke. I'm referring to post #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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