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Just cause this came up in another thread and it seems to be an issue to some people here. I felt like I'd try to segregate this issue from any threads that are currently full of discussion about it. Basically, I don't want more threads getting filled with spams about why soundclick is being evil etc.

 

Anyways, my synopsis: I found that soundclick does contain a few spyware agents. Why I don't know how malicious these are, I block about 2 or 3 of them every time I visit soundclick. Those are 99% responsible for your popups. The way to block almost all evil stuff I found is PeerGuardian2 (just google it!). It's a great piece of software, but it will make loading some web pages long because the spyware that's trying to load will have to timeout before the hosting service will start loading the webpage for you. Anyways, I just thought that this might help a few of you guys who have been worried about crap on your computer boxes. I still trust soundclick over most other sites, but truth is any commercial operation isn't entirely clean online these days. You get what you get.

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[NEW UPDATE: I was hit with a highly problematic pop-up when I tested with an old, low security browser w/ its own pop up protection turned off. See my posts below.]

 

All I can tell you is that I'm running up to date IE, Firefox and now Safari for Windows and I haven't experienced a pop-up at SC in a very long time.

 

I'm not saying they're not there -- I'm just saying I'm not experiencing them on any of those browsers. (Yet?)

 

That said -- I HAVE ended up with a couple of pop ups from newspapers and magazines online so there may be a new pop-up style exploiting one of Firefox (my regular browser)'s vulnerabilities.

 

And THAT said, it should be remembered that not everything that pops up is malware. A website can quite legitimately invoke a pop-up of some kind that is not invasive of your local machine any more than any innocent web page. (Of course, it will likely be blocked by an up-to-date browser or perhaps a pop-up blocker of some kind [which is also a drain on your system, BTW].)

 

Adware/malware "tricks" you into installing it on your computer (typically by clicking a link in one of their ads) and when tickled by an online advert or other "signal" one is exposed to on the web, then takes the foreground and serves advertising from one of its affiliated servers.

 

It's an actual, parasitic application running on your computer in the background. Some of it is relatively benign in that it is content to just sit there waiting for you to go to a magazine, newspaper, entertainment, or other site that hosts (say) Doubleclick advertising and then springs into action to serve up its own window on your local machine.

 

But some of it is as bad as it gets, a gateway to hell or one of the former Soviet Republics, whichever comes first...

 

(Now, that is NOT to be confused with simply having "tracking cookies" on your machine. One can argue that they are, themselves, invasive, in that they allow the cookie-owner to identify a given user wherever he encounters one of their ads -- but it does not in itself use a parasitic software applet running on your computer -- it simply uses features designed into the internet and our browsers to do meta-market tracking.)

 

I'm going to try to explore this further.

 

I've liked being able to give a limited recommendation to take a look at Soundclick.

 

But I won't be able to continue doing that if I think they're hosting unusually dangerous advertising. (I mean, if the threat level is the same as at the LA Times or NY Times or MTV.com or whatever, it's going to remain an asterisk... but if it's something really bad... well, I'm not going to send people there -- neither fans nor fellow artists.)

 

[uPDATE AREA -- I'll just update this as I find out more/experiment ]

 

I have an old version of Mozilla (not Firefox) 1.7.13 (circa 2002) that I'm visiting SC on. On this first pass I'll use the default settings...

 

watching the status bar (for once) I see a lot of familiar online advertisers, Doubleclick, Burstnet, etc.

 

No pop ups so far

 

poking around to charts and artist pages, still no pop-ups

 

Gawd, I hate auto-play -- we need a browser switch for THAT (prevent auto-play -- at least M/S added that option -- too bad it doesn't actually work. Good idea, though. That's the thing about those guys. They have ideas they just can't make them work very well.) Where was I? Oh yeah...Let's try it again with lower security settings...

 

SHUT MY CLAMHOLE!!! I don't HAVE pop-ups blocked in this Mozilla browser!

 

In fact, the security on this set-up is really lax!I dunno, man... I'm going to dig some more but my first attempt to entice even a legit pop-up has proved fruitless...

 

[NEW UPDATE: I was hit with a highly problematic pop-up. See my posts below.]

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I don't frequent this section of the board, but I saw this thread from the outside and wanted to add my .02!

 

Soundclick definitely has some issues with ads or code forwarding you to a page that displays a false Windows message box that wants you to download something. It drives me nuts and I think people should find a new place to host their audio. Does Digital Sound Planet still exist?

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I don't frequent this section of the board, but I saw this thread from the outside and wanted to add my .02!


Soundclick definitely has some issues with ads or code forwarding you to a page that displays a false Windows message box that wants you to download something. It drives me nuts and I think people should find a new place to host their audio. Does Digital Sound Planet still exist?

 

 

Okay... my thinking after experimenting here a bit with four different browsers including a five year old one with all pop up guards down -- is that SC hosts advertisers like Doubleclick (and Burstnet, I believe) that may (or perhaps have, past tense -- I know Doubleclick wasn't liking the attention they were getting) used adware that has been installed on one's computer to serve up pop ups. But theres a big if... the adware has to already be on your machine to trigger the pop-ups under that scenario -- of course, again, it could have been "invited" onto your computer by something as innocent as clicking a link in one of the adware company's pages or pop-ups.

 

 

BUT, so far, using a five year old version of the Mozilla browser, with no pop up protection turned on and security set far lower than is the norm for either current IE or FF -- I haven't seen a single pop-up or other intrusion. (That's not to say it might not still happen, of course.)

 

(Sure, if I had some Doubleclick or other adware on my machine, it's most likely I WOULD be seeing pop-ups -- because that's what they do. You go to a site that has a DC ad, the adware running as a parasite on your machine has been monitoring, it jumps into action and serves up some advertising from the DC servers, independent of what's the SC page. But I don't have adware -- or didn't last time I did a scan, anyhow, and don't see any evidence of it. Tracking cookies -- yes -- but that's an entirely different thing.)

 

[uPDATE: see my post immediately below.]

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ONE THING THOUGH: If one is not using an up-to-date, properly patched browser, whether it's IE, FF, Safari, Opera or another -- sooner or later he's going to be subjecting himself to risks and perhaps even invasive attack. It's a sucker play to run an out of date browser...

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OK -- Looks like your concerns are definitely NOT ill-founded.

 

 

I just got a pop-up in a plain text window with a highly intrusive modal window that defied normal attempts to close it and loaded the "systemdoc" or "sysdoctor" website into a new Mozilla window.

 

I used the taskmanager to shut down the Mozilla browser -- since I had every reason to believe clicking EITHER the OK or CANCEL button on the modal dialog would likely install adware on my local machine.

 

 

VERY BAD BEHAVIOR.

 

Definitely -- going to have to have a very pointed talke with Soundclick about that.

 

Not good at all.

 

 

Next test: use the low-security, unprotected Mozilla browser to visit my own page with an embedded SoundClick Flash media player in it and make sure IT does not hook into invasive, dangerous advertising...

 

That would be an alternative to sending visitors to my SC page... if I could remain assured that that wasn't a risk.

 

 

GRRRRR!

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Yeah... so far so good on the Flash embedded Soundclick player I have on my band webpage -- I've done maybe ten page reloads... and so far I remain unmolested.

 

And -- if I recall my Flash stuff (which is dicey :D ) it may not be possible for a Flash embed specified in my page to do any more than load itself and media from where I've specifically pointed to in the code on my page [i think this was actually a security fix for just such issues a couple years ago?] -- and it only points to SoundClick's servers.

 

(But, you know, Flash ain't my longest suit... if any of you Flash/server scripting/Coldfusion experts out there want to chime in...)

 

 

BTW... checking that malevolent site in my Mozilla browser cookie manager, I note the proper name of it was systemdoctor dot com. Do not go there. :D

 

I could set Mozilla to remove its cookie and not allow any more from it but I'm not done yet...

 

 

ANYHOW -- I want to say again -- even if one never goes to SoundClick -- sensible people should run UPDATED, fully-patched browsers. And UNsensible people REALLY, really should... :D :D :D

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Yeah... I have to say I was distressed to get that pop up. I was on SC at the time and it was the only site (besides Mozilla.org) that the browser had been to... I probably SHOULD have braced myself and peeled things apart a little more while the damn thing had control of my (Mozilla) browser (IE and FF were also open and remained fine)... but -- I'll admit it -- I just had visions of the last time I spen 4 or 5 hours peeling malware and spyware and heaven-only-knows-what-ware out of one of my client's home-office machines (which seems to have made more than a few trips to the porn and other domains of the greater former Soviet Republics)... like I said -- I just shut the dang thing down and checked my RAM and bootprofile and rebooted and checked again. I'll probably do a virus and adware scan tonight just because it's on my mind, though I feel confident that I headed off an "offer" I wouldn't have been able to refuse had I not shut things down from the system.

 

 

But -- remember -- I had to use a five year old browser with pop-up protection turned off, in order to invoke the demons... but they are there... no question about it.

 

(I believe this is pretty much the internet equivalent of sitting in front of static on the TV about 4 in the morning, with a Ouija board on your knees, trying to contact Captain Howdy.)

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PS... so far the Soundclick player embedded in my bad webpage has been Mr Innocent and I'm thinking that that (the SC embedded Flash player I love so much! :D ) might even be a moot issue -- but like I said, maybe one of our more Flash/ColdFusion savvy colleagues will give us more info on what dangers might lurk behind that "pretty" face.

PPS -- I just realized that -- because SC used to be so lousy with pop-up adverts I still have this warning on my band webpage right by the SC link that's been there for a while: Free one blue nine downloads at Soundclick (tip: set your pop-up-blocker to kill-all-intruders)... I guess some things really do never chage... :D

 

 

UPDATE 9-26-2007

 

After this issue was raised again in another thread, I contacted SC earlier today and they got right back to me, saying they DID have problems with one advertiser in July and August of this year but that they identified that advertiser and have blocked their content. They also said they no longer use pop up or pop-under advertising.

 

If you have an experience that seems to be malware/pop-up related while visiting Soundclick,* I would recommend contacting them directly through the artist support link on your Artist Admin page. I found them to be very helpful and concerned about keeping the site safe and secure.

*(Please keep in mind that -- if your computer already has a malware ad-server trojan on it, it can "serve" advertising to you anytime you're connected to the net, regardless of what site you're visiting.)

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