Members ShaneV2 Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 I wish I could say you're correct, but you're not. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/americans-believe-in-creationism_n_1571127.html Well great, now I want to kill myself. Thanks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Right on, K Bizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neilrocks25 Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 See what happens when you kick out religious nuts and they start their own county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hardvalve Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 See what happens when you kick out religious nuts and they start their own county Yes, we kick your ass and send you home, you {censored}ing limey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yes, we kick your ass and send you home, you {censored}ing limey. Which wouldn't have been done without France's help. :phil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rey Gato Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge Ok, I'll play.... Open question - are there any believers here who feel threatened by the notion that evolution might be true to any degree? And to the rest - do you honestly think that if evolution is true to any degree that it negates the possibility of God's existence? Evolution is fact. God is a fairy tale. Bye now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by extollo there are not *that* many people that are hard core creationists. there just aren't. maybe in evangelical schools or home school people. but it is a tiny percentage. of those, how many potential contributing scientists - where belief in evolution is a core value - are being lost. de minimus. ever visited the bible belt? there are PLENTY of people that are hard core creationists. it's rather alarming, actually. also, "believing" in evolution has no bearing on it. one can believe or disbelieve in the truth without it changing. saying that you don't believe in evolution is like saying that you don't believe in gravity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members extollo Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux ever visited the bible belt? there are PLENTY of people that are hard core creationists. it's rather alarming, actually. also, "believing" in evolution has no bearing on it. one can believe or disbelieve in the truth without it changing. saying that you don't believe in evolution is like saying that you don't believe in gravity ok. i'm pretty far off. I'd think the results would be quite a bit different if you polled people in a biology related science class - where this issue really only matters. if the most school board yahoos can do is get evolution called a 'theory' - i'm cool with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 This guy is smarter than me, and I agree with his analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by Rey Gato Evolution is fact. God is a fairy tale. Bye now. Thanks for your invaluable contribution, now I know what kind of person you are. Originally Posted by knucklefux ever visited the bible belt? there are PLENTY of people that are hard core creationists. it's rather alarming, actually. also, "believing" in evolution has no bearing on it. one can believe or disbelieve in the truth without it changing. saying that you don't believe in evolution is like saying that you don't believe in gravity Both are theories, but for very different reasons. We can replicate gravity, just not on the scale to prove it for the world. We cannot replicate evolution of species/life. Funny how its a "fact", ye, kinda like global warming/climate change - its basic science thats being corrupted by an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dicky sofa Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Again with the people who don't understand what scientific theory means... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by richardcouch Again with the people who don't understand what scientific theory means... Thats on both sides of the fence; theres Science, and then theres "science"...one is academic and distinguishes between hypothesis and fact based analysis, the other is speculative mumbo jumbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wok Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge Thats on both sides of the fence; theres Science, and then theres "science"...one is academic and distinguishes between hypothesis and fact based analysis, the other is speculative mumbo jumbo. And guess on which side creationism and 'intelligent' design are. Oh wait, that's not even science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by wok And guess on which side creationism and 'intelligent' design are. Oh wait, that's not even science Creationism, perhaps. Intelligent design, not hardly, unless your intentionally obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrendanO Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge Creationism, perhaps. Intelligent design, not hardly, unless you're intentionally obtuse. They are the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 More NDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wok Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge Creationism, perhaps. Intelligent design, not hardly, unless your intentionally obtuse. Intelligent design is pseudo-science. Religious claptrap disguised as science. Nobody falls for that {censored}, unless you're intentionally obtuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by BrendanO They are the same thing. No, they arent. Creationism, in common usage, refers to man being made in some manner instantly or without any sort of evolutionary process of any kind. Intelligent design includes the possibility of some manner of evolution being guided by a creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by wok Intelligent design is pseudo-science. Dogmatic claptrap disguised as science. Nobody falls for that {censored}, unless you're intentionally obtuse Change that one word and I totally agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by wok Intelligent design is pseudo-science. Religious claptrap disguised as science. Nobody falls for that {censored}, unless you're intentionally obtuse Ahh...grammar/spelling nazi....ok, you have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge No, they arent. Creationism, in common usage, refers to man being made in some manner instantly or without any sort of evolutionary process of any kind. Intelligent design includes the possibility of some manner of evolution being guided by a creator. your meltdown will be hilarious to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Axe_34 Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge Creationism, perhaps. Intelligent design, not hardly, unless your intentionally obtuse. You'd have a *bit* more credibility if you could spell properly. It's "you're obtuse" not "your obtuse." And intelligent design theory is not science. http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_int...gn-is-not.html Section 4: Why Intelligent Design is not Science The intelligent design movement is exceptionally good at creating false controversies and misconceptions. Yet their basic claims are easily debunked. *There is scientific controversy over evolution: There is no debate about evolution among the vast majority of scientists, and no credible alternative scientific theory exists. Debates within the community are about specific mechanisms within evolution, not whether evolution occurred. *Structures found in nature are too complex to have evolved step-by-step through natural selection [the concept of "irreducible complexity"]: Natural selection does not require that all structures have the same function or even need to be functional at each step in the development of an organism. *Intelligent design is a scientific theory: A scientific theory is supported by extensive research and repeated experimentation and observation in the natural world. Unlike a true scientific theory, the existence of an Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ovid9 Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by BrendanO They are the same thing. Naw, they're really not, but that doesn't make ID any harder of a science than creationism. Both are more philosophies, actually both ARE philosophies, one just allows for real science to exist, while the other pretty much just laughs at real science and flips the bird. Edit: As Axe_34 says, theory is a good word. Its the usage of theory that creationists mistakenly put to evolution. This is why I don't want ID taught in schools as part of curriculum. Its not science and school science classes should stick with actual science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by LynchProtoge No, they arent. Creationism, in common usage, refers to man being made in some manner instantly or without any sort of evolutionary process of any kind. Intelligent design includes the possibility of some manner of evolution being guided by a creator. After years of previously debating theology online (including on this same forum), looking for arguments to side with ID, etc., I wish to save you a major amount of time and say I'd just let this one go. The best that can happen is you walk away frustrated and maybe a few people agree with you, surely noone having a changed mind -- at least not in favor of ID, anyway. On a brighter note, there are a fair number of people into '80s rock/metal and gear on the forum, and you can also check out rig-talk.com for a lot of people into the same music and gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LynchProtoge Posted August 25, 2012 Members Share Posted August 25, 2012 Originally Posted by Axe_34 You'd have a *bit* more credibility if you could spell properly. It's "you're obtuse" not "your obtuse." Anyone who makes a fuss over spelling & grammar is void of substance & the ability to focus on the issue at hand. So if thats your deal you may proceed to dance by yourself, amigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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