Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux i looked, didn't find any reputable sources. please provide yours. also, none of us have a destiny. look up effects of fluoride on calcium metabolism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mike LX-R You're dodging my argument and you could step away from the pineal gland argument and break into any lifestyle that negatively effects cognitive function, whether by depletion of nutrients used for cognition, or a whole array of other factors. my point is that your choice to live in a certain way effects your chemical make-up overall, which according to you dictates the choices you make. if I am Omega deficient and I begin to eat a lot of foods because they're high in omegas my neurological function is going to change, and so will the choices that I make as a result. Still, it was a choice to alter my composition. i'm not dodging your argument, because until this post you haven't made a valid one. the fact that you are initially omega "deficient", and then choose to supplement with omega is simply a result of initially being omega "deficient" and worrying enough about it to supplement...in order to make that decision, you must already be in a position to make that decision, so it's the only one you can make. for instance, since i'm NOT a nutrient freak, if i found that i was omega "deficient" i'd keep right on doing what i've been doing because i don't give a {censored} about omega "deficiency". further, since i'm not a nutrient freak, i doubt that i'd ever find out that i was omega "deficient". also, i keep putting deficient in quotes because who the hell decides whether i'm deficient? all in all, your "argument" is just adding up to further support my stance that there is no free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mike LX-R You're dodging my argument and you could step away from the pineal gland argument and break into any lifestyle that negatively effects cognitive function, whether by depletion of nutrients used for cognition, or a whole array of other factors. my point is that your choice to live in a certain way effects your chemical make-up overall, which according to you dictates the choices you make. if I am Omega deficient and I begin to eat a lot of foods because they're high in omegas my neurological function is going to change, and so will the choices that I make as a result. Still, it was a choice to alter my composition. i'm not dodging your argument, because until this post you haven't made a valid one. the fact that you are initially omega "deficient", and then choose to supplement with omega is simply a result of initially being omega "deficient" and worrying enough about it to supplement...in order to make that decision, you must already be in a position to make that decision, so it's the only one you can make. for instance, since i'm NOT a nutrient freak, if i found that i was omega "deficient" i'd keep right on doing what i've been doing because i don't give a {censored} about omega "deficiency". further, since i'm not a nutrient freak, i doubt that i'd ever find out that i was omega "deficient". also, i keep putting deficient in quotes because who the hell decides whether i'm deficient? all in all, your "argument" is just adding up to further support my stance that there is no free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rock Hardness Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 {censored} YOUR FREE WILL. i A MMFREENWI8LLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux all in all, your "argument" is just adding up to further support my stance that there is no free will. not sure how that happened but cool bro I aint trippin' .... it's your choice and free will to feel that way about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fly135 Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks That sums up how I feel as well. Free Will is very important for some religions, like Christianity, no? Like the idea that you use your free will to sin or not to sin. God judging people based on free will is like setting up a foot race where some people start near the finish line, some get a ball and chain to drag, and the rest are placed at random points on the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mike LX-R not sure how that happened but cool bro I aint trippin' .... it's your choice and free will to feel that way about it no it isn't, it's the only way i CAN feel about it i looked up the effects of flouride on calcium metabolism. i found a study from 1964 that indicated that a dose of about 1mg/kg of sodium fluoride would be good for people with bone degeneration. basically, HIGH doses of fluoride help some people retain more calcium. i've yet to find any non hippie BS info about why a calcified pineal gland is bad. so far, all i've found is that a calcified pineal gland indicates that one is an adult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mamberg Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by fly135 God judging people based on free will is like setting up a foot race where some people start near the finish line, some get a ball and chain to drag, and the rest are placed at random points on the course. that sounds like a very close approximation of real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sandy Cheeks Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Back to Rush... "I will choose free will". If there is no such thing as free will, then you can't choose it anymore than you can choose a perpetual motion machine. If there is free will, then how could you choose not to have it -- it would be inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux no it isn't, it's the only way i CAN feel about it i looked up the effects of flouride on calcium metabolism. i found a study from 1964 that indicated that a dose of about 1mg/kg of sodium fluoride would be good for people with bone degeneration. basically, HIGH doses of fluoride help some people retain more calcium. i've yet to find any non hippie BS info about why a calcified pineal gland is bad. so far, all i've found is that a calcified pineal gland indicates that one is an adult I've yet to find any scientific evidence to deny the existence of free will either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Maybe I missed it, but how does adding chemicals to alter your brain makeup fit in to this?If I choose to take Prozac or other neurological drugs (maybe Prozac is a bad example so fill in the blank with a proper drug for argument sake) and alter my brain...Or maybe can you define free will? It appears to me you are saying every choice we make is dictated by genetic makeup, environmental conditions and past experience. I didn't realize that was ever in question. Further it appears my definition of free will is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Ron Burgandy Maybe I missed it, but how does adding chemicals to alter your brain makeup fit in to this? If I choose to take Prozac or other neurological drugs (maybe Prozac is a bad example so fill in the blank with a proper drug for argument sake) and alter my brain... Or maybe can you define free will? It appears to me you are saying every choice we make is dictated by genetic makeup, environmental conditions and past experience. I didn't realize that was ever in question. Further it appears my definition of free will is wrong. are you talking to me? knuckle was more stating that your brain chemistry dictates the choices you make, and then we went off a bit on a tangent about things that effect neurological function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mike LX-R I've yet to find any scientific evidence to deny the existence of free will either science doesn't prove a negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Mike LX-R are you talking to me? knuckle was more stating that your brain chemistry dictates the choices you make, and then we went off a bit on a tangent about things that effect neurological function. Just in general. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, just gathering info on an interesting subject I don't know much about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TurboRotary13b Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 None of us in this thread have any idea what we are talking about here.. lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux science doesn't prove a negative at this point Knuck, i'm just being a contrarian. And not by choice mind you... it's this absence of free will dictating my lack of substantial arguments that's taking over now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ron Burgandy Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by TurboRotary13b None of us in this thread have any idea what we are talking about here.. lol.. Finally it's like someone understands me. My disposition to seeing bearded guys in women's underwear ensured I watched the entire video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jesse G Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux further, i'd like to know what the consequences of a calcified pineal gland are. Keeps you from being able to open your third eye, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Jesse G Keeps you from being able to open your third eye, man. I didn't want to waste that idea on Knucknuck. I can tell he'd find it absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by NinjaRaf If we look at other animals (because we ARE animals, and there is still some degree of instinct left in our brains, no matter how much we would like to think otherwise), they dont really make decisions...they just DO things based on instinct. er, how would you possibly know that? For all you know about its consciousness and internal thought process, which is next to nothing, a dog might be experiencing the same sense of decision-making a human does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sandy Cheeks Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by blargh er, how would you possibly know that? For all you know about its consciousness, which is next to nothing, a dog might be experiencing the same sense of decision-making a human does. So my dog uses his free will to eat cat {censored}? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nick H Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Just because you can be predicted to do one thing or another still doesn't mean you are forced to do it.Keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by Jesse G Keeps you from being able to open your third eye, man. DMT, son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mike LX-R Posted December 27, 2012 Members Share Posted December 27, 2012 Originally Posted by knucklefux DMT, son. Ok now we're getting somewhere. Knuck, the pineal gland is where DMT is naturally produced in the body. Once calcified it does not allow the steady release, albeit in tiny amounts, of DMT. Think about it man... coming from a guy who was saying that your brain is where decisions are made on your behalf. If you are unable to tap into this molecule naturally you're decisions are affected. You're whole perception is changed. It's the fluoride.... beware the fluoride.... they don't want us in tune with our natural access to spirituality. And whether you believe that or not, why the {censored} do they put fluoride in the tap water anyway? There's no conclusive evidence that it helps anything, whatsoever. Why is it there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Muffin Man Posted December 28, 2012 Members Share Posted December 28, 2012 Look up the n-body problem, mathematics cannot tell you exactly what how gravity will affect a 3+ body system. I would never assume that everything that exists can be explained deterministically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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